For all you D Hall lovers

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Hall has been immature most of his career and just like a spoiled child he has gotten away with a lot of bad behavior in the past because he was allowed to. Oakland sent him packing, and to be benched or let go by the Redskins should he sign with us, would pretty much stain the rest of his career. It seems to me that Los lost his starting job after complaining that the players were not put in position to make plays in a game late in the year. I can't imagine Blache putting up with too much crap from Hall, or the other players putting up with stupid penalties either. I know Fletch wouldn't. He did get a couple of personal fouls out of frustration last year but I was surprised there wasn't more of a reaction from him about Springs stepping in front of him and screwing up an easy interception. He has talent. What he has lacked is discipline. I would hope that Jerry Gray is being asked for his imput on this and I would have to respect whatever he feels about Hall. If Los could hold on to the damn ball, Hall might not be as attractive to us but this is where we are. I would offer him a good contract but not break the bank on him. If he really wants to play for us and is not just after the money, we shouldn't have to.

Hall was only 19 when he came into the league, so it shouldnt come as a surprise that he had some maturity issues early on in his career. but for goodness sakes, hes 25 now. most guys do ALOT of maturing in that time period. He's gone on the record saying he was miserable in Oakland and the experience showed him money isnt everything. He was as close to a model citizen as you want your starting corner to be. every corner gets a personal foul now and then - i seem to remember the "beloved" carlos rogers getting a couple this year - yet why is no one talking about his character and maturity? Hall has also gone on record saying how much he looks up to Fletcher and asks him for advice. Hall is saying and DOING all the right things. He has done enough to show most - if not all - of his maturity problems are a thing of the past. He's certainly done enough to show he's more mature than Carlos Rogers is at this point, with all his complaining about his contract, playing time, and even demanding a trade.

And what about our other corner, Springs? He's as selfish and greedy as they come - yet no one criticizes his character. Looking at our corner situation, we have two young, talented guys in Hall and Rogers. Some people say its an either/or situation - but i dont think we should have to chose between them. I think we should extend Hall and keep Rogers, atleast one more year... but if given a choice, i'd pick Hall in a heartbeat and not look back. He is - by far - the better (and more mature) corner.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Hall was only 19 when he came into the league, so it shouldnt come as a surprise that he had some maturity issues early on in his career. but for goodness sakes, hes 25 now. most guys do ALOT of maturing in that time period. He's gone on the record saying he was miserable in Oakland and the experience showed him money isnt everything. He was as close to a model citizen as you want your starting corner to be. every corner gets a personal foul now and then - i seem to remember the "beloved" carlos rogers getting a couple this year - yet why is no one talking about his character and maturity? Hall has also gone on record saying how much he looks up to Fletcher and asks him for advice. Hall is saying and DOING all the right things. He has done enough to show most - if not all - of his maturity problems are a thing of the past. He's certainly done enough to show he's more mature than Carlos Rogers is at this point, with all his complaining about his contract, playing time, and even demanding a trade.

And what about our other corner, Springs? He's as selfish and greedy as they come - yet no one criticizes his character. Looking at our corner situation, we have two young, talented guys in Hall and Rogers. Some people say its an either/or situation - but i dont think we should have to chose between them. I think we should extend Hall and keep Rogers, atleast one more year... but if given a choice, i'd pick Hall in a heartbeat and not look back. He is - by far - the better (and more mature) corner.

Agree 100% with you on this one BHA

Most INTs, since 2005
Champ Bailey 22
Asante Samuel 22
DeAngelo Hall 18
Darren Sharper 17
Charles Woodson 17

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by 44ever

Agree 100% with you on this one BHA

Most INTs, since 2005
Champ Bailey 22
Asante Samuel 22
DeAngelo Hall 18
Darren Sharper 17
Charles Woodson 17

Hall is in some very good company there. Why anyone wouldnt want him is beyond me.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Hall is in some very good company there. Why anyone wouldnt want him is beyond me.

The same reason no one wanted TO when he was cut by the iggles a couple years back, yet you could hold his stats up w/the best in the biz too. The cowpokes were the only team that would pay him. Likewise, Hall wasn't claimed off waivers by anyone when the raiders cut him, so NO nfl team thought he was worth the deal he signed w/oakland.

Hall is the TO of db's. I hope the dude has matured & isn't such a self absorbed prick, but I think he played well this year for one reason - he wants a big contract. He could be the best in the biz but he doesn't want to be coached & he alienates his teamates.

C. Mortensen reported that the week before he got cut the raiders were hosting atlanta. He had a cookout for some of his old teamates, but "had a lot of food left over." This guy seems to be almost universally hated everywhere he goes, and its a shame cause he has the physical ability to be great. I would hate to see us sign him & trade Rogers, it could impact chemistry in a very bad way.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

The same reason no one wanted TO when he was cut by the iggles a couple years back, yet you could hold his stats up w/the best in the biz too. The cowpokes were the only team that would pay him. Likewise, Hall wasn't claimed off waivers by anyone when the raiders cut him, so NO nfl team thought he was worth the deal he signed w/oakland.

Hall is the TO of db's. I hope the dude has matured & isn't such a self absorbed prick, but I think he played well this year for one reason - he wants a big contract. He could be the best in the biz but he doesn't want to be coached & he alienates his teamates.

C. Mortensen reported that the week before he got cut the raiders were hosting atlanta. He had a cookout for some of his old teamates, but "had a lot of food left over." This guy seems to be almost universally hated everywhere he goes, and its a shame cause he has the physical ability to be great. I would hate to see us sign him & trade Rogers, it could impact chemistry in a very bad way.

I'm sure the same things were brought when NE traded for Moss. Although it is funny that anytime I mention Moss, people say "well they were winning in NE, so he behaved". Well, when Hall came to the Redskins, we were not winning, and he played extremely well.

I hope the dude has matured & isn't such a self absorbed prick, but I think he played well this year for one reason - he wants a big contract.

This is a damn if you do/damn if you don't situation. If he had sucked...or not contribute much at all to the defense, what would you be saying now? If you were up for a raise in your job, wouldn't you want to do your best?

[44ever]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I'm sure the same things were brought when NE traded for Moss. Although it is funny that anytime I mention Moss, people say "well they were winning in NE, so he behaved". Well, when Hall came to the Redskins, we were not winning, and he played extremely well.



This is a damn if you do/damn if you don't situation. If he had sucked...or not contribute much at all to the defense, what would you be saying now? If you were up for a raise in your job, wouldn't you want to do your best?

Really great points here Ruhskins

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

The same reason no one wanted TO when he was cut by the iggles a couple years back, yet you could hold his stats up w/the best in the biz too. The cowpokes were the only team that would pay him. Likewise, Hall wasn't claimed off waivers by anyone when the raiders cut him, so NO nfl team thought he was worth the deal he signed w/oakland.

Hall is the TO of db's. I hope the dude has matured & isn't such a self absorbed prick, but I think he played well this year for one reason - he wants a big contract. He could be the best in the biz but he doesn't want to be coached & he alienates his teamates.

C. Mortensen reported that the week before he got cut the raiders were hosting atlanta. He had a cookout for some of his old teamates, but "had a lot of food left over." This guy seems to be almost universally hated everywhere he goes, and its a shame cause he has the physical ability to be great. I would hate to see us sign him & trade Rogers, it could impact chemistry in a very bad way.

TO was a 30+ year old locker room cancer everywhere he ever played. What on earth has Hall done in the past two years that even comes close to comparing to anything TO has done. The comparision is so absurd, i cant beleive even you take it seriously.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

TO was a 30+ year old locker room cancer everywhere he ever played. What on earth has Hall done in the past two years that even comes close to comparing to anything TO has done. The comparision is so absurd, i cant beleive even you take it seriously.

He had a BBQ and had a ton of food left. The nerve!

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

TO was a 30+ year old locker room cancer everywhere he ever played. What on earth has Hall done in the past two years that even comes close to comparing to anything TO has done. The comparision is so absurd, i cant beleive even you take it seriously.

It's absurd only because Owens was at one point a great player.

No one can seriously argue that Hall has done crap in the NFL. His teams have won what, like, 7 games in the last two years? 15 in the last three? 21 in the last four? That's Raider-esque.

He's struggled in his development while showing flashes of his potential (such has his rookie season, a month or so in 2007, and while he's been here), but that's it.

I don't care how many interceptions he has because that tells me absolutely nothing about how good he is.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

The same reason no one wanted TO when he was cut by the iggles a couple years back, yet you could hold his stats up w/the best in the biz too. The cowpokes were the only team that would pay him. Likewise, Hall wasn't claimed off waivers by anyone when the raiders cut him, so NO nfl team thought he was worth the deal he signed w/oakland.

Hall is the TO of db's. I hope the dude has matured & isn't such a self absorbed prick, but I think he played well this year for one reason - he wants a big contract. He could be the best in the biz but he doesn't want to be coached & he alienates his teamates.

C. Mortensen reported that the week before he got cut the raiders were hosting atlanta. He had a cookout for some of his old teamates, but "had a lot of food left over." This guy seems to be almost universally hated everywhere he goes, and its a shame cause he has the physical ability to be great. I would hate to see us sign him & trade Rogers, it could impact chemistry in a very bad way.

Getting rid of Rogers, who was universally regarded as an 'arrogant punk' by the people covering the team every day could impact chemistry in a very bad way?

It's so funny how people let their entire perception of someone be formed by what they hear in the national media. The hilarious thing about D. Hall is before he played for Bobby Petrino and had his on field blowup with him, there were no concerns about his attitude in Atlanta. He was widely considered one of the top CB in the game and expected to be an all pro for years to come. He plays for a coach that even Warrick Dunn (WARRICK DUNN!) had nothing but negative words about, then went to an even worse, more dysfunctional organization than the Falcons were and now he's a terrible, overrated CB who's a major character risk. Really?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Getting rid of Rogers, who was universally regarded as an 'arrogant punk' by the people covering the team every day could impact chemistry in a very bad way?

It's so funny how people let their entire perception of someone be formed by what they hear in the national media. The hilarious thing about D. Hall is before he played for Bobby Petrino and had his on field blowup with him, there were no concerns about his attitude in Atlanta. He was widely considered one of the top CB in the game and expected to be an all pro for years to come. He plays for a coach that even Warrick Dunn (WARRICK DUNN!) had nothing but negative words about, then went to an even worse, more dysfunctional organization than the Falcons were and now he's a terrible, overrated CB who's a major character risk. Really?

You didn't by any chance here any of this through the national media, did you?

Because THAT would be hilarious.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

You didn't by any chance here any of this through the national media, did you?

Because THAT would be hilarious.

Not at all actually. People (non media) who had daily interactions and contact with the Falcons organization throughout the time Hall was there. Yes, he can be a prima donna but he is far from the locker room cancer he's portrayed to be.

As for the Rogers stuff, not the same level of sources but his ego is well known to exceed his accomplishments.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Getting rid of Rogers, who was universally regarded as an 'arrogant punk' by the people covering the team every day could impact chemistry in a very bad way?

It's so funny how people let their entire perception of someone be formed by what they hear in the national media. The hilarious thing about D. Hall is before he played for Bobby Petrino and had his on field blowup with him, there were no concerns about his attitude in Atlanta. He was widely considered one of the top CB in the game and expected to be an all pro for years to come. He plays for a coach that even Warrick Dunn (WARRICK DUNN!) had nothing but negative words about, then went to an even worse, more dysfunctional organization than the Falcons were and now he's a terrible, overrated CB who's a major character risk. Really?

My point is getting rid of a guy that's paid his dues here & worked hard to come back from injury (Rogers) for a guy who plays half a season, needs a new contract & has a history of attitude problems, is generally bad for team chemistry. Honestly i wasn't aware of Rogers' being an "arrogant punk."

You assume that "my entire perception" is based on reports from nat'l media. Quite the contrary. I'm a Va. Tech alum & live less than an hour from VT, and a big fan of the football team. When Hall played for VT he had the same reputation, a selfish prima donna that divided the locker room. I heard from several people over the years that know players & coaches well, and their opinion of him is never good, aside from his talent.

Granted, I did not get info first hand, but I trust the people who relayed stories to me. Obviously, 99%+ of the opinions on this site are based on our limited perception of people who live somewhat public lives. If I waited for first hand info on everything, I'd never vote, because I've never met a president!

The last year Hall played at VT in 03, the team went from #3 in the country to losing a bowl game 52-49 & finishing 6-5 (pretty sure but not positive). The next year Hall left & the coaching staff made a point in camp of emphasizing team unity. That year they won the acc w/what most considered a less talented team. Not saying that Hall has to shoulder all the blame, but several people close to the team single him out for negatively affecting the team's chemistry.

The same behavior has continued in the nfl. Yes, I get most of my info. from the nat'l media, but there is a reason a guy w/so much talent at a vital position has been dumped twice (w/one of them being the ever dysfunctional raiders) & he's only 25!!!

[vallin21]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

My point is getting rid of a guy that's paid his dues here & worked hard to come back from injury (Rogers) for a guy who plays half a season, needs a new contract & has a history of attitude problems, is generally bad for team chemistry. Honestly i wasn't aware of Rogers' being an "arrogant punk."

You assume that "my entire perception" is based on reports from nat'l media. Quite the contrary. I'm a Va. Tech alum & live less than an hour from VT, and a big fan of the football team. When Hall played for VT he had the same reputation, a selfish prima donna that divided the locker room. I heard from several people over the years that know players & coaches well, and their opinion of him is never good, aside from his talent.

Granted, I did not get info first hand, but I trust the people who relayed stories to me. Obviously, 99%+ of the opinions on this site are based on our limited perception of people who live somewhat public lives. If I waited for first hand info on everything, I'd never vote, because I've never met a president!

The last year Hall played at VT in 03, the team went from #3 in the country to losing a bowl game 52-49 & finishing 6-5 (pretty sure but not positive). The next year Hall left & the coaching staff made a point in camp of emphasizing team unity. That year they won the acc w/what most considered a less talented team. Not saying that Hall has to shoulder all the blame, but several people close to the team single him out for negatively affecting the team's chemistry.

The same behavior has continued in the nfl. Yes, I get most of my info. from the nat'l media, but there is a reason a guy w/so much talent at a vital position has been dumped twice (w/one of them being the ever dysfunctional raiders) & he's only 25!!!

I don't get why people keep bringing up Hall's attitude. Have you ever thought he might have matured and realized he can't do the same stuff that got him a bad rep w/ATL? All his "so called" behavior problems came on bad teams ('07 ATL) with a coach who quit on his team in the middle of the season. Are you supposed to be the only reason they cut him in OAK is because he couldn't play man coverage. I'm not saying he's not a risk but I think he's matured and learned from his mistakes.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

And what about our other corner, Springs? He's as selfish and greedy as they come - yet no one criticizes his character. Looking at our corner situation, we have two young, talented guys in Hall and Rogers. Some people say its an either/or situation - but i dont think we should have to chose between them. I think we should extend Hall and keep Rogers, atleast one more year... but if given a choice, i'd pick Hall in a heartbeat and not look back. He is - by far - the better (and more mature) corner.

I would give Springs a break. His father has been in a coma for over a year and I'm sure those hospital bills are pretty hefty and I can pretty much say that he's helping his mom in paying for those bills that keep rolling in and probably has no help from the players union. Maybe that's why he's greedy and doesn't want pitty from anyone so he acts this way?