For all you D Hall lovers

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

The same reason no one wanted TO when he was cut by the iggles a couple years back, yet you could hold his stats up w/the best in the biz too. The cowpokes were the only team that would pay him. Likewise, Hall wasn't claimed off waivers by anyone when the raiders cut him, so NO nfl team thought he was worth the deal he signed w/oakland.

Hall is the TO of db's. I hope the dude has matured & isn't such a self absorbed prick, but I think he played well this year for one reason - he wants a big contract. He could be the best in the biz but he doesn't want to be coached & he alienates his teamates.

C. Mortensen reported that the week before he got cut the raiders were hosting atlanta. He had a cookout for some of his old teamates, but "had a lot of food left over." This guy seems to be almost universally hated everywhere he goes, and its a shame cause he has the physical ability to be great. I would hate to see us sign him & trade Rogers, it could impact chemistry in a very bad way.

Getting rid of Rogers, who was universally regarded as an 'arrogant punk' by the people covering the team every day could impact chemistry in a very bad way?

It's so funny how people let their entire perception of someone be formed by what they hear in the national media. The hilarious thing about D. Hall is before he played for Bobby Petrino and had his on field blowup with him, there were no concerns about his attitude in Atlanta. He was widely considered one of the top CB in the game and expected to be an all pro for years to come. He plays for a coach that even Warrick Dunn (WARRICK DUNN!) had nothing but negative words about, then went to an even worse, more dysfunctional organization than the Falcons were and now he's a terrible, overrated CB who's a major character risk. Really?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Getting rid of Rogers, who was universally regarded as an 'arrogant punk' by the people covering the team every day could impact chemistry in a very bad way?

It's so funny how people let their entire perception of someone be formed by what they hear in the national media. The hilarious thing about D. Hall is before he played for Bobby Petrino and had his on field blowup with him, there were no concerns about his attitude in Atlanta. He was widely considered one of the top CB in the game and expected to be an all pro for years to come. He plays for a coach that even Warrick Dunn (WARRICK DUNN!) had nothing but negative words about, then went to an even worse, more dysfunctional organization than the Falcons were and now he's a terrible, overrated CB who's a major character risk. Really?

You didn't by any chance here any of this through the national media, did you?

Because THAT would be hilarious.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

You didn't by any chance here any of this through the national media, did you?

Because THAT would be hilarious.

Not at all actually. People (non media) who had daily interactions and contact with the Falcons organization throughout the time Hall was there. Yes, he can be a prima donna but he is far from the locker room cancer he's portrayed to be.

As for the Rogers stuff, not the same level of sources but his ego is well known to exceed his accomplishments.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Not at all actually. People (non media) who had daily interactions and contact with the Falcons organization throughout the time Hall was there. Yes, he can be a prima donna but he is far from the locker room cancer he's portrayed to be.

As for the Rogers stuff, not the same level of sources but his ego is well known to exceed his accomplishments.

You know me, I will never consider myself the judge and jury on a guys character..

But why the double standard? If you are okay with Hall's periodic antics, how on the other hand can you critique Rogers' character/arrogance. It doesn't make sense.

It's just a bias to Hall and against Rogers, is all it seems to be.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

You know me, I will never consider myself the judge and jury on a guys character..

But why the double standard? If you are okay with Hall's periodic antics, how on the other hand can you critique Rogers' character/arrogance. It doesn't make sense.

It's just a bias to Hall and against Rogers, is all it seems to be.

It wasn't a double standard, I was directly replying to someone's commentary that letting Rogers go for the sake of keeping Hall would have 'a major negative impact in the locker room'. I could care less if they sing nursery rhymes or hurl soiled toilet paper at each other. I just want the best 22 players on the field.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

You know me, I will never consider myself the judge and jury on a guys character..

But why the double standard? If you are okay with Hall's periodic antics, how on the other hand can you critique Rogers' character/arrogance. It doesn't make sense.

It's just a bias to Hall and against Rogers, is all it seems to be.

I think in this case, its a matter of a guy WANTING to be here vs a guy who WANTS OUT. That, combined with the fact that Hall is significantly more talented and has more upside is more than enough to turn the tide against rogers for many fans. Like you, i want the best guys on the field. I dont think we should give in to Rogers trade demands, but if he becomes a "lockerroom cancer," id rather not have a terrell owens like player who can disrupt the unity of a team. In that scenario, rogers would have to go. Fortunately, were not there yet and if the situation is handled properly by our management, it wont get there. I get the vibe Rogers just need to feel "valued" right now and he'll shut up, especially if we promise to offer him a nice contract extension after the 2009 season.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I think in this case, its a matter of a guy WANTING to be here vs a guy who WANTS OUT. That, combined with the fact that Hall is significantly more talented and has more upside is more than enough to turn the tide against rogers for many fans. Like you, i want the best guys on the field. I dont think we should give in to Rogers trade demands, but if he becomes a "lockerroom cancer," id rather not have a terrell owens like player who can disrupt the unity of a team. In that scenario, rogers would have to go. Fortunately, were not there yet and if the situation is handled properly by our management, it wont get there. I get the vibe Rogers just need to feel "valued" right now and he'll shut up, especially if we promise to offer him a nice contract extension after the 2009 season.

I agree.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I think in this case, its a matter of a guy WANTING to be here vs a guy who WANTS OUT. That, combined with the fact that Hall is significantly more talented and has more upside is more than enough to turn the tide against rogers for many fans. Like you, i want the best guys on the field. I dont think we should give in to Rogers trade demands, but if he becomes a "lockerroom cancer," id rather not have a terrell owens like player who can disrupt the unity of a team. In that scenario, rogers would have to go. Fortunately, were not there yet and if the situation is handled properly by our management, it wont get there. I get the vibe Rogers just need to feel "valued" right now and he'll shut up, especially if we promise to offer him a nice contract extension after the 2009 season.

^^^This is the key to keeping Rogers and keeping Rogers productive.

What we dont need is a guy who does'nt want to be here. Or a starter who feels he's not wanted or valued as a starter. Rogers is without a doubt a starter.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 44ever

^^^This is the key to keeping Rogers and keeping Rogers productive.

What we dont need is a guy who does'nt want to be here. Or a starter who feels he's not wanted or valued as a starter. Rogers is no doubt a starter.

The fact that everyone but our defensive coordinator knows this worries me to no end.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Getting rid of Rogers, who was universally regarded as an 'arrogant punk' by the people covering the team every day could impact chemistry in a very bad way?

It's so funny how people let their entire perception of someone be formed by what they hear in the national media. The hilarious thing about D. Hall is before he played for Bobby Petrino and had his on field blowup with him, there were no concerns about his attitude in Atlanta. He was widely considered one of the top CB in the game and expected to be an all pro for years to come. He plays for a coach that even Warrick Dunn (WARRICK DUNN!) had nothing but negative words about, then went to an even worse, more dysfunctional organization than the Falcons were and now he's a terrible, overrated CB who's a major character risk. Really?

My point is getting rid of a guy that's paid his dues here & worked hard to come back from injury (Rogers) for a guy who plays half a season, needs a new contract & has a history of attitude problems, is generally bad for team chemistry. Honestly i wasn't aware of Rogers' being an "arrogant punk."

You assume that "my entire perception" is based on reports from nat'l media. Quite the contrary. I'm a Va. Tech alum & live less than an hour from VT, and a big fan of the football team. When Hall played for VT he had the same reputation, a selfish prima donna that divided the locker room. I heard from several people over the years that know players & coaches well, and their opinion of him is never good, aside from his talent.

Granted, I did not get info first hand, but I trust the people who relayed stories to me. Obviously, 99%+ of the opinions on this site are based on our limited perception of people who live somewhat public lives. If I waited for first hand info on everything, I'd never vote, because I've never met a president!

The last year Hall played at VT in 03, the team went from #3 in the country to losing a bowl game 52-49 & finishing 6-5 (pretty sure but not positive). The next year Hall left & the coaching staff made a point in camp of emphasizing team unity. That year they won the acc w/what most considered a less talented team. Not saying that Hall has to shoulder all the blame, but several people close to the team single him out for negatively affecting the team's chemistry.

The same behavior has continued in the nfl. Yes, I get most of my info. from the nat'l media, but there is a reason a guy w/so much talent at a vital position has been dumped twice (w/one of them being the ever dysfunctional raiders) & he's only 25!!!

[vallin21]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

My point is getting rid of a guy that's paid his dues here & worked hard to come back from injury (Rogers) for a guy who plays half a season, needs a new contract & has a history of attitude problems, is generally bad for team chemistry. Honestly i wasn't aware of Rogers' being an "arrogant punk."

You assume that "my entire perception" is based on reports from nat'l media. Quite the contrary. I'm a Va. Tech alum & live less than an hour from VT, and a big fan of the football team. When Hall played for VT he had the same reputation, a selfish prima donna that divided the locker room. I heard from several people over the years that know players & coaches well, and their opinion of him is never good, aside from his talent.

Granted, I did not get info first hand, but I trust the people who relayed stories to me. Obviously, 99%+ of the opinions on this site are based on our limited perception of people who live somewhat public lives. If I waited for first hand info on everything, I'd never vote, because I've never met a president!

The last year Hall played at VT in 03, the team went from #3 in the country to losing a bowl game 52-49 & finishing 6-5 (pretty sure but not positive). The next year Hall left & the coaching staff made a point in camp of emphasizing team unity. That year they won the acc w/what most considered a less talented team. Not saying that Hall has to shoulder all the blame, but several people close to the team single him out for negatively affecting the team's chemistry.

The same behavior has continued in the nfl. Yes, I get most of my info. from the nat'l media, but there is a reason a guy w/so much talent at a vital position has been dumped twice (w/one of them being the ever dysfunctional raiders) & he's only 25!!!

I don't get why people keep bringing up Hall's attitude. Have you ever thought he might have matured and realized he can't do the same stuff that got him a bad rep w/ATL? All his "so called" behavior problems came on bad teams ('07 ATL) with a coach who quit on his team in the middle of the season. Are you supposed to be the only reason they cut him in OAK is because he couldn't play man coverage. I'm not saying he's not a risk but I think he's matured and learned from his mistakes.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by vallin21

I don't get why people keep bringing up Hall's attitude. Have you ever thought he might have matured and realized he can't do the same stuff that got him a bad rep w/ATL? All his "so called" behavior problems came on bad teams ('07 ATL) with a coach who quit on his team in the middle of the season. Are you supposed to be the only reason they cut him in OAK is because he couldn't play man coverage. I'm not saying he's not a risk but I think he's matured and learned from his mistakes.

Of course I have. I'm all for people getting second (& third) chances, and maybe he's truly changed. If you read my earlier post, you'll see why I disagree w/the statement that ALL his problems were w/a bad team in Atl. He has a longer history of it, and I believe his attitude was one of the reasons he was cut by Oakland.

I truly hope the dude has changed & would love for him to be the great cb he's capable of w/the Skins. I'm just not holding my breath on it