Taylor to Return w/o Restructure or Paycut

[53Fan]

[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;529123]General consensus was the trade was a good decision by the skins. The problem was Taylor suffered a life threatening injury, never fully recovered, and was misused by Blache. Taylor is a sure-fire firstballot hall of famer. He was 33 at the time and was coming of a great season. If Taylor had continued to be utilized correctly and performed at the same level he had been performing when in Miami, we would feel he was well worth the 2nd and 6th round pick. If he rebounds to his previous form and Blache uses him correctly, and he plays solid this year, it will still be worth the pick, especially if we can get another year or two out of him.[/QUOTE]

Yeah if all the "IFS" worked out it would be a great deal. IF it does then great. IF it don't, then , OH s**t.... That's my point. So far it's been all conjecture and no production. It is what it is. Do I think JT can still be productive? Yes. IF Blache uses him the correct way. Oops...there's that word again.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Yeah if all the "IFS" worked out it would be a great deal. IF it does then great. IF it don't, then , OH s**t.... That's my point. So far it's been all conjecture and no production. It is what it is. Do I think JT can still be productive? Yes. IF Blache uses him the correct way. Oops...there's that word again.

Its not like we were taking a huge gamble. It was a FREAK injury that could not have been predicted. Sure, there were risks involved in getting Taylor, but the risks were very slim. By all appearnces, he should have done well here. as to his being misused by Blache, hopefully Blache can come up with something better this year. Blache is not a good d-coordinator and hopefully he'll retire after this season so someone more aggressive and less loyal to aging under-performing veterance will replace him.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Its not like we were taking a huge gamble. It was a FREAK injury that could not have been predicted. Sure, there were risks involved in getting Taylor, but the risks were very slim. By all appearnces, he should have done well here. as to his being misused by Blache, hopefully Blache can come up with something better this year. Blache is not a good d-coordinator and hopefully he'll retire after this season so someone more aggressive and less loyal to aging under-performing veterance will replace him.

Let me make this clear. I have no beef with Taylor nor do I question his talent. If we use him to maximize his talents...fine. If not...the trade sucks...period. I just find it somewhat distressing that the season after we give up a couple of picks and 8.5 mil we're discussing how he should be used and whether he's worth it.

[Hamoskinz]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Let me make this clear. I have no beef with Taylor nor do I question his talent. If we use him to maximize his talents...fine. If not...the trade sucks...period. I just find it somewhat distressing that the season after we give up a couple of picks and 8.5 mil we're discussing how he should be used and whether he's worth it.

I think in hindsight, we will never get any benefit out of this trade. The trade looked good at the beginning considering JT's caliber, but the 2nd rd pick seemed high. I hope he 'explodes' in 09 to justify $8.5m we are giving him. I don't think he will be playing in '10 unless we offer him another $8.5m (I hope not). We traded for him so he can contribute immediately but he got injured (not his fault) but we still paid him $8.5m for 3 sacks and 21 tackles! That is BS but we have no choice but to pay the man. this year we have a choice, but we decided to bring him back to get some value out of this trade and whether it pans out or not, it will cost us another $8.5m.

I really hope it works out this year but overall, the dolphins and JT profited from this one while we come away losing a 2nd rounder (possibly Ziggy Hood) and $17m poorer and possibly still be looking for a future RDE in '10.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Its not like we were taking a huge gamble. It was a FREAK injury that could not have been predicted. Sure, there were risks involved in getting Taylor, but the risks were very slim. By all appearnces, he should have done well here. as to his being misused by Blache, hopefully Blache can come up with something better this year. Blache is not a good d-coordinator and hopefully he'll retire after this season so someone more aggressive and less loyal to aging under-performing veterance will replace him.

BHA u can't have it both ways... in one recent post u stated we typically have below-average talent on our roster and here u say Blache is a bad d-coordinator. Well if we really have below average talent (on d) and a bad coordinator how do we get to a 4th best overall rating?

... i tend to think our talent on d is above average slightly (very good secondary and average front 7 at least through last year) and our defensive coordinator does pretty well w/ what we've got but has made some serious errors. As GTripp has pointed out when we blitzed mostly last year the results were disastrous yet Blache didn't adjust quickly. Basically I'll say w/ a nice addition or two at OLB and the line (assuming we resign Hall) and if Blache learns from his flubs we'll continue to be a top 5 defense.