If Nothing Changes Come Draft Day, Who Would You Draft

[That Guy]

brown (ravens C) or stacy andrews (OG) would help too...

FA some decent OL starters and nugent, draft DL.

I mean we could use TJ too, but he's 31, probably wants a bunch of money, and we already have a lot invested in WRs (without much return).

I like rocky bernard at DT, and like every year there's a ton of depth LBs out there for cheap. I rather get foxworth for cheap or dunta for money at CB then waste a lot on getting hall back here.

again, that leaves DL as our weakest position after possible FA signings and current roster consideration. taylor and daniels are ancient, we've got one backup DE and a DT position without a real #1 DT (griff's stud days are gone). The only real FA that's attainable for the skins in bernard (and he's 30 too).

so i'd look for safe DE picks, and we're in the right range to get one... I wouldn't rule out a DT though, as 1st round graded DTs tend to be one of the safest picks a team can make (as far as bust %).

[30gut]

Originally Posted by That Guy

brown (ravens C)

Jason Brown is the only free agent i would go after.
I don't see how a Tackle will help when the interior line was the bigger issue.
I want the Redskins to get out building through the free agency.
I thought that Vinnie was going to build through the draft and do it right this time.
You know, stay away from making several big money salary cap unfriendly free agent moves.

Its a viscous circle.

Synder has been impatient with HCs.
Before Gibbs, Synder didn't allow any HC to establish or create a Redskins identity a 'system' if you will.
Synder meddles in the player personnell dept. making it hard for the coach to get the players he wants.
Skins fall for the quick fix through free agency and get hamstrung with horrible contracts and players that don't fit the system/scheme.

The coach gets fired, the whole thing starts over.
If we would just stick with a coach and stick with a system we would have more success.

Now we have a budding system in place and coaches gaining knowledge and continuity within that system. Maybe its time to let the coaches develop players instead of chasing players that were developed by other teams for different systems?

Living off of free agency imo is tacitly admitting that we can't develop procure and develop talent.
I thought that this was over, i hope Vinnie/Synder can control themselves during this upcoming free agnecy.

THAT GUY- this post isn't directed at you, just how crazy things get before free agency,
i'm hoping its much ado about nothing



1st Round- Orakpo trade down Cushing/Mauluaga/Barwin
3rd Round- Mack/Luigis BA Center (that can play guard until..)
5th Round- Jasper Brinkley LB
6th Round- Moises Fouku OLB

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Jason Brown is the only free agent i would go after.
I don't see how a Tackle will help when the interior line was the bigger issue.
I want the Redskins to get out building through the free agency.
I thought that Vinnie was going to build through the draft and do it right this time.
You know, stay away from making several big money salary cap unfriendly free agent moves.

Don't you remember rushers like Tuck, Harrison, Suggs, and Ware coming from the outside and getting to Campbell? I don't think you can easily dismiss the need to improve at tackle.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Don't you remember rushers like Tuck, Harrison, Suggs, and Ware coming from the outside and getting to Campbell? I don't think you can easily dismiss the need to improve at tackle.

Yeah, premiere edge rushers are occasionally gonna beat even the best OL and most of those pressure/sacks you refer to were on Jansen and an injured Samuels and a couple were on Geisinger playing out of positoin at OT.
I think the improvement will come with a healthy Samuels and the continued progress of Heyer. I thought Heyer was good in pass pro when he was in the line-up, and Buges has spoken highly of him.

The right side interior line (Rabach and Thomas) were healthy enough to play yet still struggled.
It bothered me when JC was getting pressure up the middle on a 3 step drop. I just wonder how Rabach or Thomas are gonna be able to block the likes of a Ratliff w/o a double team if they couldn't do it last year?

[GMScud]

Watching Kiper and McShay go back and forth is classic. And then hearing Scott Van Pelt follow it up with his Kiper impression is even better. It just happened on the 11:00pm SportsCenter. Good stuff.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Watching Kiper and McShay go back and forth is classic. And then hearing Scott Van Pelt follow it up with his Kiper impression is even better. It just happened on the 11:00pm SportsCenter. Good stuff.

Oh man, I missed that.

[rbanerjee23]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Jason Brown is the only free agent i would go after.
I don't see how a Tackle will help when the interior line was the bigger issue.
I want the Redskins to get out building through the free agency.
I thought that Vinnie was going to build through the draft and do it right this time.
You know, stay away from making several big money salary cap unfriendly free agent moves.

Its a viscous circle.

Synder has been impatient with HCs.
Before Gibbs, Synder didn't allow any HC to establish or create a Redskins identity a 'system' if you will.
Synder meddles in the player personnell dept. making it hard for the coach to get the players he wants.
Skins fall for the quick fix through free agency and get hamstrung with horrible contracts and players that don't fit the system/scheme.

The coach gets fired, the whole thing starts over.
If we would just stick with a coach and stick with a system we would have more success.

Now we have a budding system in place and coaches gaining knowledge and continuity within that system. Maybe its time to let the coaches develop players instead of chasing players that were developed by other teams for different systems?

Living off of free agency imo is tacitly admitting that we can't develop procure and develop talent.
I thought that this was over, i hope Vinnie/Synder can control themselves during this upcoming free agnecy.

THAT GUY- this post isn't directed at you, just how crazy things get before free agency,
i'm hoping its much ado about nothing



1st Round- Orakpo trade down Cushing/Mauluaga/Barwin
3rd Round- Mack/Luigis BA Center (that can play guard until..)
5th Round- Jasper Brinkley LB
6th Round- Moises Fouku OLB

Tackle is definitely the top priority. Gibbs tried running Portis up the middle, and it was marginally successful. But then Zorn comes and in his first season Portis had his best YPC as a Redskin because he is a lateral runner/slasher. Compounded with the fact that Chris Samuels is 31 and has clearly lost a step, Jon Jansen is 33 and lost his job to someone who would start on less than 5 other teams in the league (Stephon Heyer), OT is definitely a higher need than guard.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

Tackle is definitely the top priority. Gibbs tried running Portis up the middle, and it was marginally successful. But then Zorn comes and in his first season Portis had his best YPC as a Redskin because he is a lateral runner/slasher. Compounded with the fact that Chris Samuels is 31 and has clearly lost a step, Jon Jansen is 33 and lost his job to someone who would start on less than 5 other teams in the league (Stephon Heyer), OT is definitely a higher need than guard.

I think Andre Smith would definitely open up space for Portis at right tackle. Orakpo (the big winner of the combine hype) is good, but he's not a game-breaker. And more of a DE rather than a LB. The redskins can make better use of the 13th pick with a player that can make a bigger impact.

I watched some tape on Monroe and he is definitely worth a top 5 pick with his pass protection skills. I haven't seen much of Jason Smith to make a good judgment yet. C Mack is solid, but not 1st round talent with the videos that I've seen.

DT Raji is a beast and is definitely the top player in the draft.


Watched Rey Maualuga and Brian Cushing - and it looks like Maualuga has better instincts and football IQ. I don't know if Cushing belongs in the 1st or 2nd round yet. LB James Laurinaitis definitely is overrated by some experts and is not 1st round talent, let alone high 1st round IMO- I think he stays stationary too long when anticipating the rb instead of moving forward towards the rb to tackle. LB Aaron Curry is good but shouldn't be as high as some have him in the 1st round.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

I think Andre Smith would definitely open up space for Portis at right tackle. Orakpo (the big winner of the combine hype) is good, but he's not a game-breaker. And more of a DE rather than a LB. The redskins can make better use of the 13th pick with a player that can make a bigger impact.

I watched some tape on Monroe and he is definitely worth a top 5 pick with his pass protection skills. I haven't seen much of Jason Smith to make a good judgment yet. C Mack is solid, but not 1st round talent with the videos that I've seen.

DT Raji is a beast and is definitely the top player in the draft.


Watched Rey Maualuga and Brian Cushing - and it looks like Maualuga has better instincts and football IQ. I don't know if Cushing belongs in the 1st or 2nd round yet. LB James Laurinaitis definitely is overrated by some experts and is not 1st round talent, let alone high 1st round IMO- I think he stays stationary too long when anticipating the rb instead of moving forward towards the rb to tackle. LB Aaron Curry is good but shouldn't be as high as some have him in the 1st round.

What about Clay Matthews?

[SC Skins Fan]

I am not sure if others have seen this YouTube site, but it has extended TV highlights of most of the top prospects in this year's draft. So you can actually watch the guys play rather than relying on talking heads to tell you what to think.

YouTube - DraftParty's Channel

I don't know if that was the only good 10 minutes of film on Michael Johnson, but I really like the way that guy looks. He has athleticism, quickness, and size. I know Kiper is saying he might fall to the second but he looks better than that to me. I'd like to watch the whole Virginia tape and see him go against Eugene Monroe for a whole game. I also really like Everette Brown, but I think Johnson has the better body type to do the things that Blache asks his ends to do in the run game. If they decide to go DE I wouldn't mind taking Johnson from the little that I have now seen of him, even at #13 and even though it would make Kiper's head explode (or maybe especially because it would make his head explode).



At tackle, if it comes down to Andre Smith or Michael Oher, I like Oher (as I said in another thread).

At LB, if it comes down to Cushing or Maualuga, I'll take Maualuga (and I was hoping to like Cushing better since he would fill an immediate need at SLB). Maualuga seems to play at a high intensity and attacks the football. He kind of looks like London Fletcher. I guess you would worry about how he would match up with more athletic NFL tight ends if he had to play the SAM for a few years until Fletcher retires/leaves but we have had the liability for some time now. He would certainly provide a strong run defender and just looks like a better football player than Cushing. I'd actually be pretty upset if the Skins went with Cushing because there are a number of guys who look better even if SLB is a hole that needs filling.

[SC Skins Fan]

And if the Skins could drop down to the early to mid-20's, pick up a 2nd round pick, and nab Michael Johnson and, say, Jamon Meredith I would be loving it.

Potential trade partners by the draft value chart numbers (the likelihood of some of these seems remote).

• Philadelphia (picks 21 and 53 - 1170; pick 13 - 1150)
• Minnesota (picks 22 and 54 - 1140; pick 13 - 1150)
• New England (picks 23 and 47 - 1190; pick 13 and 5th - approx. 1185.5) or (picks 23, 58, and 4th - approx. 1134; pick 13 - 1150)
• Atlanta (picks 24, 55, and 4th - approx. 1142; pick 13 - 1150)
• Miami (picks 26 and 44 - 1160; pick 13 - 1150 ... plus kick to Cerrato's groin for having to drop 13 spots to get back pick 44)

Obviously other scenarios could exist, but those are the most obvious. To my eye Minnesota looks like the ideal partner if there is someone at 13 that they covet. I wonder about the ability to deal with Philadelphia, New England, or Miami since they all likely value their 2nd's too highly to do any of those trades. At least we have a history with Atlanta from last year so maybe doing another draft day deal would be easier.

Full round-by-round order for 2009 NFL Draft

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

I am not sure if others have seen this YouTube site, but it has extended TV highlights of most of the top prospects in this year's draft. So you can actually watch the guys play rather than relying on talking heads to tell you what to think.

YouTube - DraftParty's Channel

I don't know if that was the only good 10 minutes of film on Michael Johnson, but I really like the way that guy looks. He has athleticism, quickness, and size. I know Kiper is saying he might fall to the second but he looks better than that to me. I'd like to watch the whole Virginia tape and see him go against Eugene Monroe for a whole game. I also really like Everette Brown, but I think Johnson has the better body type to do the things that Blache asks his ends to do in the run game. If they decide to go DE I wouldn't mind taking Johnson from the little that I have now seen of him, even at #13 and even though it would make Kiper's head explode (or maybe especially because it would make his head explode).



At tackle, if it comes down to Andre Smith or Michael Oher, I like Oher (as I said in another thread).

At LB, if it comes down to Cushing or Maualuga, I'll take Maualuga (and I was hoping to like Cushing better since he would fill an immediate need at SLB). Maualuga seems to play at a high intensity and attacks the football. He kind of looks like London Fletcher. I guess you would worry about how he would match up with more athletic NFL tight ends if he had to play the SAM for a few years until Fletcher retires/leaves but we have had the liability for some time now. He would certainly provide a strong run defender and just looks like a better football player than Cushing. I'd actually be pretty upset if the Skins went with Cushing because there are a number of guys who look better even if SLB is a hole that needs filling.

I think E.Brown is the real deal, smart guy & great athlete. I can't say the same about Johnson's smarts (don't know), but he's got the athletic upside. There's no way at this point that Johnson is off the board before Brown. There is a lot of negative scouting on MJ. If he's there in the 2nd & we have a pick it might be worth the risk. If he falls all the way to the 3rd, which I believe could happen, I think we'd have to take him.

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What about Clay Matthews?

The only film I could find on YouTube was a video that some guy had taken from his TV of about three plays that Matthews made this year. From those three plays he looked better than Cushing but, you know, rather limited sample size. I think I'd probably take Rey ahead of him.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

The only film I could find on YouTube was a video that some guy had taken from his TV of about three plays that Matthews made this year. From those three plays he looked better than Cushing but, you know, rather limited sample size. I think I'd probably take Rey ahead of him.

Yeah, I haven't seen a lot of videos of Clay Matthews - but I do know that he's not 1st round talent. I would possibly consider him in the 3rd round maybe - if there wasn't anyone there better in any other spots of need/impact. Seeing a little bit of the video with Matthews - he seems more of a situational type player in a given role. He works best at pass/run blitzing - which to me, is good but something that you would want as a bonus from a linebacker instead of being his standalone strength. But yeah, definitely not a 1st rounder IMO.

You know who definitely is going to be the steal of the draft is Percy Harvin. This guy is very underrated because he doesn't fit the defined positions of wr or rb very well - but he has football skills that are extraordinary. He would be a very good addition to an already solid offense. If you are a Reggie Bush fan, I think you might like Harvin - but Harvin is good and athletic in a different way (I may need to think about it and have to explain the difference later). But they are both very fluid offensive players with the ball in their hands and deceptively explosive. These two guys are just football players.