Andre Smith..Would You Take Him At 13?

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Great post. I think you may be right about A. Smith going even before 13; however it's impossible to tell right now. If he has an awesome work-out at Alabama's pro-day then I think he still goes top 10.

My biggest curiosity is whether we trade down and basically attempt to get starters at both RT and OLB in this draft or just stay at 13 and get what should really be a franchise player. Also if we stay at 13 and there's a choice between A. Smith, Oher, and Rey M it's really difficult to know what's best. We are badly aged at OT and need another franchise guy, but Rey looks to me like the most fascinating defensive prospect in the '09 draft and we're already thin at LB (and London looks to be wearing a bit). Really, really tough call.

It is a tough call but I don't think you lose with Smith or Rey M. That is the good thing. We definitely need LB help but A. Smith would be an early X-mas present if available and they need young talent on the line. You never lose by aquiring talented linemen. I read that the LB class is pretty deep this year so hopefully Morocco Brown has found some decent players in the third round and beyond.

I am very excited about the draft this year.

[Dirtbag59]

The thing that worries me is that in this draft while deep at tackle there seems to be only a handful of guys that can both run block and protect well enough to play LT. I personally think Andre Smith and Michael Oher fit that bill perfectly but if the front office trades down then our chances of grabbing Smith probably goes out the window though I would love to think that he falls to where we trade down and we get a second teir linebacker in the second round. Plus I don't know how the front office would feel about a guy like Oher but judging from what they said about players last year they might consider him a reach.

Most of the tackle prospects that I see are pretty good pass blockers but only marginal run blockers so it'll depend on a combination of what Buges wants and weather the front office is going to value pass protection or run blocking but after seeing Heyer last year who might be a 3.5-4/5 in pass blocking and a 2/5 in run blocking I'd rather not get a guy thats mainly finesse.

[Skins4Eva]

If he is there...yes, if not then definitely Rey M.

[SOUL-SKINS]

Originally Posted by Skins4Eva

If he is there...yes, if not then definitely Rey M.

Exactly

[Larry Michael is Satan]

Yes, but I would rather have Oher. I know we need an OLB, but it's going to have to wait til next year. Between Haynesworth, Hall, and Taylor, we have spent enough on the D for one year. Draft the best OT available at #13 and trade up that 3rd for a 2nd and get the best OG or C available. Our third rounder is essentially useless in my opinion, because we need potential starters, not depth.

[Skins fan 44]

Everyone has to remember that we will take the best available player. So if a good safety is on the board at 13 we will take him. Don't get your hopes up folks. Might as well close this thread now. :smashfrea:FIREdevil

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Skins fan 44

Everyone has to remember that we will take the best available player. So if a good safety is on the board at 13 we will take him. Don't get your hopes up folks. Might as well close this thread now. :smashfrea:FIREdevil

"Sarcasm is anger's ugly cousin"

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

The thing that worries me is that in this draft while deep at tackle there seems to be only a handful of guys that can both run block and protect well enough to play LT. I personally think Andre Smith and Michael Oher fit that bill perfectly but if the front office trades down then our chances of grabbing Smith probably goes out the window though I would love to think that he falls to where we trade down and we get a second teir linebacker in the second round. Plus I don't know how the front office would feel about a guy like Oher but judging from what they said about players last year they might consider him a reach.

Most of the tackle prospects that I see are pretty good pass blockers but only marginal run blockers so it'll depend on a combination of what Buges wants and weather the front office is going to value pass protection or run blocking but after seeing Heyer last year who might be a 3.5-4/5 in pass blocking and a 2/5 in run blocking I'd rather not get a guy thats mainly finesse.

I would be happy with any of the 4 top tackle prospects at 13. Another advantage for Washington is that one of those guys does not have to come here and be the lynchpin on the left side. I don't know how hard it is to start off as a right tackle if you are used to being a left tackle but I would think that it is easier to start your career on the right and move to left tackle down the road then to face Ware, Osi and Cole 30 times a game as a rookie.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

The thing that worries me is that in this draft while deep at tackle there seems to be only a handful of guys that can both run block and protect well enough to play LT. I personally think Andre Smith and Michael Oher fit that bill perfectly but if the front office trades down then our chances of grabbing Smith probably goes out the window though I would love to think that he falls to where we trade down and we get a second teir linebacker in the second round. Plus I don't know how the front office would feel about a guy like Oher but judging from what they said about players last year they might consider him a reach.

Most of the tackle prospects that I see are pretty good pass blockers but only marginal run blockers so it'll depend on a combination of what Buges wants and weather the front office is going to value pass protection or run blocking but after seeing Heyer last year who might be a 3.5-4/5 in pass blocking and a 2/5 in run blocking I'd rather not get a guy thats mainly finesse.

they might only be marginal run blockers, but our RT spot is a wasteland, so they'd still be a huge upgrade.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by That Guy

they might only be marginal run blockers, but our RT spot is a wasteland, so they'd still be a huge upgrade.

Agreed but ultimately we should look for top tackle talent to eventually replace Samuels. We may not draft this high again for a few years (hopefully) so it may be the wisest thing to draft a stud tackle now

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Agreed but ultimately we should look for top tackle talent to eventually replace Samuels. We may not draft this high again for a few years (hopefully) so it may be the wisest thing to draft a stud tackle now

well, if the cba falls through, 2010 might be the last draft ever... we'll have to see. otherwise it'd just be NFL free agency followed by college free agency.

[mauiRedskinbarn]

Now that Cassel is on the cheifs, it looks like they are gonna draft one of the big 4. There's no chance that Smith will be available at 13, heres why:
49ers need a tackle oppisite Staley.
Bengals need 1 to replace Andrews,
Detroit probobly takes one with their 1st pick,
Rams could use one to replce the aging Orlando Pace,
Seattle despretly needs one now that they lost Willis.
Jax needs one to replce Barnes.
Even the raiders could use one since Robert Gallery sucks.
I say we trade up to get one, next years 3rd or something, and move up about 5 spots with Green Bay or someone. We need one of these stud Tackles for the future. We can't count on 1 droping to us like smith.
Then draft a LB in the 3rd

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by mauiRedskinbarn

now that Cassel is on the cheifs, it looks like they are gonna draft one of the big 4. There's no chance that Smith will be available at 13. 49ers need a tackle, Bengals need 1, Detroit needs one, Rams could use one. I say we trade up to get get one. Then draft Unger in the 3rd

we dont have the ammo or the cap space to make trading up a great idea. and unger won't make it to the 3rd.

[Hamoskinz]

I agree we need to focus our attention on our offense. We must pick OT with our first, Smith or Oher. But if Mauiredskin's scenario materialises, top talent like Stafford, Raji, Vontae Davis might fall to 13 making them good trade bait for us to move into lower first where we can get Beatty or Jamon Meredith while getting top 7 OLB/DE prospects like Connor Barwin, Michael Johnson, Clay Mathews?

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Remember what Jeff Otah did for Carolina's run game this past year? That would really open up our run game getting a mauler at 13.