King predicts Haynesworth to Redskins

[44ever]

Originally Posted by DirtyLandry

Since I can remember. Close to 30 years.

Thanks, I was just curious because of the nature of the deal. Some of the younger fans will go for anything for lack of history with the team. But Im assuming you have seen your share of the bonehead mistakes this team has made over the years. Personally, I just dont trust the deal.

[DirtyLandry]

Originally Posted by 44ever

Thanks, I was just curious because of the nature of the deal. Some of the younger fans will go for anything for lack of history with the team. But Im assuming you have seen your share of the bonehead mistakes this team has made over the years. Personally, I just dont trust the deal.

Absolutely and I completely understand your apprehension. It's just that I have been crying for a defensive tackle like this for years now. Admittedly, this proposed deal is probably not the best thing financially for the Redskins, but at this point I kind of have an 'all or nothing' attitude. I would rather see us overpay for a proven commodity that could help the entire D then to sign/resign a bunch of average players and hope to win. I am well aware of the fact that there are other needs on this team, but I believe they are few. I maintain that we still have guys already waiting in the wings that could one day produce.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by DirtyLandry

Absolutely and I completely understand your apprehension. It's just that I have been crying for a defensive tackle like this for years now. Admittedly, this proposed deal is probably not the best thing financially for the Redskins, but at this point I kind of have an 'all or nothing' attitude. I would rather see us overpay for a proven commodity that could help the entire D then to sign/resign a bunch of average players and hope to win. I am well aware of the fact that there are other needs on this team, but I believe they are few. I maintain that we still have guys already waiting in the wings that could one day produce.

I can appreciate your perspective. Believe me I'm fighting back the urge to see it done. But at what expence is my question.

[GMScud]

If we give him $15-$16M per year with a $40M signing bonus and totally handicap our ability to improve in other areas, then Danny boy should start a website: moreofthesame.com We went one off-season without forking over a huge deal, so I guess he'll just compesate for that by making AH the richest defensive player ever.

This whole thing is annoying to me. Haynesworth has plenty of red flags, we're not in a good cap situation to begin with, there are cheaper alternatives available (shit, just give Canty 5yrs $40M), and we've had these kind of deals kill us in the past. The whole thing gives me a really bad feeling.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by GMScud

If we give him $15-$16M per year with a $40M signing bonus and totally handicap our ability to improve in other areas, then Danny boy should start a website: moreofthesame.com We went one off-season without forking over a huge deal, so I guess he'll just compesate for that by making AH the richest defensive player ever.

This whole thing is annoying to me. Haynesworth has plenty of red flags, we're not in a good cap situation to begin with, there are cheaper alternatives available (shit, just give Canty 5yrs $40M), and we've had these kind of deals kill us in the past. The whole thing gives me a really bad feeling.

All of a sudden that seems like a bargain

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GMScud

If we give him $15-$16M per year with a $40M signing bonus and totally handicap our ability to improve in other areas, then Danny boy should start a website: moreofthesame.com We went one off-season without forking over a huge deal, so I guess he'll just compesate for that by making AH the richest defensive player ever.

I don't think he's going to get numbers that high, at least not from us. And I'm certain we're not going to make any move that will totally handicap our ability to improve in other areas. If for no other reason than we're not giving up draft picks to get him.

This whole thing is annoying to me. Haynesworth has plenty of red flags, we're not in a good cap situation to begin with, there are cheaper alternatives available (shit, just give Canty 5yrs $40M), and we've had these kind of deals kill us in the past. The whole thing gives me a really bad feeling.

Cheaper yes, but as impactful? And what if they got both Haynesworth and Canty? And took a linemen at #13?

[44ever]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I don't think he's going to get numbers that high, at least not from us. And I'm certain we're not going to make any move that will totally handicap our ability to improve in other areas. If for no other reason than we're not giving up draft picks to get him.



Cheaper yes, but as impactful? And what if they got both Haynesworth and Canty? And took a linemen at #13?

Can that be done? Because I was under the impression that by signimg AH hindered our ability to aquire a Canty or Hall

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I don't think he's going to get numbers that high, at least not from us. And I'm certain we're not going to make any move that will totally handicap our ability to improve in other areas. If for no other reason than we're not giving up draft picks to get him.

I was just going off of Schefter's projections as far as the contract. I suppose I shouldn't have used the phrase "totally handicap" as far as other additions are concerned. I think if we could sign Canty for half of what we would give Haynesworth, it would leave us more room to build at other positions through FA, and also give us more room to sign draft picks, especially if we trade down and end up with more overall picks. You've got to see where I'm coming from as far as Haynesworth's red flags. Age, durability, desire, character... pretty glaring I'd say.

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Cheaper yes, but as impactful? And what if they got both Haynesworth and Canty? And took a linemen at #13?

Look, If AH can come here and be as effective as he was for Tennessee last year for multiple seasons for the Redskins, then rock and roll. But we had the 4th overall defense without him. Let's say we signed Canty to bolster the D-line, and his smaller deal allowed us more flexibility in improving the LB/O-line positions; would that not be better overall for the team? I think so.

I don't doubt AH can be a stud when he wants to. Again, I just have a bad feeling.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I was just going off of Schefter's projections as far as the contract. I suppose I shouldn't have used the phrase "totally handicap" as far as other additions are concerned. I think if we could sign Canty for half of what we would give Haynesworth, it would leave us more room to build at other positions through FA, and also give us more room to sign draft picks, especially if we trade down and end up with more overall picks. You've got to see where I'm coming from as far as Haynesworth's red flags. Age, durability, desire, character... pretty glaring I'd say.




Look, If AH can come here and be as effective as he was for Tennessee last year for multiple seasons for the Redskins, then rock and roll. But we had the 4th overall defense without him. Let's say we signed Canty to bolster the D-line, and his smaller deal allowed us more flexibility in improving the LB/O-line positions; would that not be better overall for the team? I think so.

I don't doubt AH can be a stud when he wants to. Again, I just have a bad feeling.

Thats basically what I was trying to say in my previous post. You said it better. I agree with your logic 100%

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I don't doubt AH can be a stud when he wants to. Again, I just have a bad feeling.

Completely understood. I know what we're paying for...but is that what we're gonna get?