Current Redskins Salary Cap Status - 2009

[GTripp0012]

I think we're looking at 14 million in cap room. How much of this will be allocated to our RFAs and/or re-signings (non-Hall)?

And I'm guessing Snyder found out about this cap increase, and then immediately went after Albert Haynesworth.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I think we're looking at 14 million in cap room. How much of this will be allocated to our RFAs and/or re-signings (non-Hall)?

And I'm guessing Snyder found out about this cap increase, and then immediately went after Albert Haynesworth.

I still think we'll need to create more space to sign Al cuz Tampa could conceivably throw close to $20 mill at him after the house-cleaning we witnessed today. Springs will have to go, which I'm fine with. Don't get me wrong I'm not a fan of signing Al; however, as it looks now (didn't look this way yesterday) that we can sign him and keep JT I think our defense will be f@ck%ng sick this year.

... man things are starting to move fast now.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I still think we'll need to create more space to sign Al cuz Tampa could conceivably throw close to $20 mill at him after the house-cleaning we witnessed today. Springs will have to go, which I'm fine with. Don't get me wrong I'm not a fan of signing Al; however, as it looks now (didn't look this way yesterday) that we can sign him and keep JT I think our defense will be f@ck%ng sick this year.

... man things are starting to move fast now.

$20 per year doesn't mean $20 in 2009 though, it means like $7-8 in 2009.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

$20 per year doesn't mean $20 in 2009 though, it means like $7-8 in 2009.

Help me through this... been reading some articles today that say TB is so far below the floor they need to throw a ton of money somewhere and a massive front-loaded(?) contract for big Al made the most sense. What stops them from doing this in order to get the guy they want?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Help me through this... been reading some articles today that say TB is so far below the floor they need to throw a ton of money somewhere and a massive front-loaded(?) contract for big Al made the most sense. What stops them from doing this in order to get the guy they want?

Nothing is more front-loaded than a signing bonus, from the player's perspective. The Bucs can do something ridiculous and give him a 40 million dollar roster bonus payable in 2009, and the Skins could match with their own 40 million SB, which gets prorated over the first 5 years of the deal.

Except because they are the Redskins, they'd structure it so he gets $20 million in 2009 and $20 million in 2010, both bonuses, fully guaranteed. The net cap result in 2009 is 4 million prorated SB plus his salary (likely 2-3 million). Albert gets 40 million to spend, the Skins put it on the books as six million.

Meanwhile, Tampa has it on the books as 40 million in 2009 (in this pie in the sky scenario).

Haynesworth sees it as the same money, and signs where he wants to play (in this case, here).

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Nothing is more front-loaded than a signing bonus, from the player's perspective. The Bucs can do something ridiculous and give him a 40 million dollar roster bonus payable in 2009, and the Skins could match with their own 40 million SB, which gets prorated over the first 5 years of the deal.

Except because they are the Redskins, they'd structure it so he gets $20 million in 2009 and $20 million in 2010, both bonuses, fully guaranteed. The net cap result in 2009 is 4 million prorated SB plus his salary (likely 2-3 million). Albert gets 40 million to spend, the Skins put it on the books as six million.

Meanwhile, Tampa has it on the books as 40 million in 2009 (in this pie in the sky scenario).

Haynesworth sees it as the same money, and signs where he wants to play (in this case, here).

Ok i got it... how do we know big Al is partial to the B & G over Tampa?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Ok i got it... how do we know big Al is partial to the B & G over Tampa?

Well, we can throw an extra 5 million in there for good measure...but only if we're unsure

BTW, that Tampa scenario is a total pie in the sky scenario. A 40 million roster bonus is totally unheard of. The larger point is this: if we let Hall test the market, there's no way Tampa could outbid us for Haynesworth. They simply don't have the market size to write a check in excess of 35 million tomorrow. Before this cap adjustment, we probably couldn't have done so legally, but that's all changed now.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Nothing is more front-loaded than a signing bonus, from the player's perspective. The Bucs can do something ridiculous and give him a 40 million dollar roster bonus payable in 2009, and the Skins could match with their own 40 million SB, which gets prorated over the first 5 years of the deal.

Except because they are the Redskins, they'd structure it so he gets $20 million in 2009 and $20 million in 2010, both bonuses, fully guaranteed. The net cap result in 2009 is 4 million prorated SB plus his salary (likely 2-3 million). Albert gets 40 million to spend, the Skins put it on the books as six million.

Meanwhile, Tampa has it on the books as 40 million in 2009 (in this pie in the sky scenario).

Haynesworth sees it as the same money, and signs where he wants to play (in this case, here).

this won't work. gauranteed money in a capless year counts fully in 2009, so that deal would count 26$mill in 2009.

we can still give him 35$mill SB and 100mill$, but his 2009 number (due to the 30% rule and various bonus clauses for capless years) is going to be about 12mill minimum. 4mill for hall is ridiculous low too, he won't come here for that, (cause with the 40% rule that means it'd be like a 5 year 24mill deal with 15mill SB which i think would be illegal as far as salary/SB ratio (thanks to deion)).

that still leaves us enough space to sign an OL FA of decent quality and hall, sign our rookies and our UFA/RFAs, and maybe even add a stopgap (1-1.5mill) LB.

taylor and springs are both going to have to go though if we want to sign two ~6mill FAs (hall and OL guy).

after all that the money will be REAL tight.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by That Guy

this won't work. gauranteed money in a capless year counts fully in 2009, so that deal would count 26$mill in 2009.

we can still give him 35$mill SB and 100mill$, but his 2009 number (due to the 30% rule and various bonus clauses for capless years) is going to be about 12mill minimum. 4mill for hall is ridiculous low too, he won't come here for that, (cause with the 40% rule that means it'd be like a 5 year 24mill deal with 15mill SB which i think would be illegal as far as salary/SB ratio (thanks to deion)).

that still leaves us enough space to sign an OL FA of decent quality and hall, sign our rookies and our UFA/RFAs, and maybe even add a stopgap (1-1.5mill) LB.

taylor and springs are both going to have to go though if we want to sign two ~6mill FAs (hall and OL guy).

after all that the money will be REAL tight.

I disagree. JLC is reporting $15 million in guarantees is the ballpark for Hall. Going off that, no matter what length a deal you give him, you can only allocate that over 5 years. So the guarantee would count $3.0 million in 2009.

But you could still get around the 30% rule with an adequately lengthy contract, perhaps 6-8 years, allowing you to grow base salaries and include unguaranteed option bonuses in the out years. Perhaps the base salary in 2009 would have to be $1.5 million in order to keep with 30%, but I can't see it needing to be much higher than that. The absolute max cap hit for Hall would be $5.0 million, and I think closer to $4.0 is realistic given the 'Skins' ability to restructure/extend their other guys.

[Son Of Man]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Help me through this... been reading some articles today that say TB is so far below the floor they need to throw a ton of money somewhere and a massive front-loaded(?) contract for big Al made the most sense. What stops them from doing this in order to get the guy they want?

No top tier free agent is going to sign with Tampa, not one who wants a shot at a title anytime soon. The just blew up their defensive core and don't have a quaterback. It would take Haynesworth and his agent to be high off their asses to sign there.

[#56fanatic]

I have no idea how the Redskins or WHY the redskins continue to rework contracts of older players (samuels, griffin, Randel el ect). all this does is just create problems down the road, over paying for over the hill talent. Hayneworth is going to get upwards of 12 to 15 million a year. We dont have the room to do this. The Post says we were still over the cap last week even with reworking contracts again. This crap is getting old. This is why we dont have money to sign decent depth to our team and why we continue to let quality players leave and sign players that dont do shit while they are here. We want to go after Canty from dallas??? He would fill the role of Evans....so why even go after him?? He is a great locker room guy, the guys really like and respect him. This to me is one of the typical Redskin errors.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Son Of Man

No top tier free agent is going to sign with Tampa, not one who wants a shot at a title anytime soon. The just blew up their defensive core and don't have a quaterback. It would take Haynesworth and his agent to be high off their asses to sign there.

Money talks, especially big money

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Money talks, especially big money

I totally agree but if Haynesworth is seeing the end of the tunnel and knows he wants a ring before his career ends he's going to be looking for a team that has the best chance to get it for him along with the money. Cause who ever signs him will have him tied up for a few yrs and his next best chance will be when he's in his 30's. Teams will probably not pay him top dollar then and most likely his abilities will probably start to slide.

I think if he's smart he's going to be looking for his best chance and best team to end his career on. The problem with Tampa is (and I like Tampa) with a new coach, no QB, a blown up defense, nobody knows how they will be next year. They could be the Cinderella team or more then likely an 8-8 team. If it's between us and Tampa I would give us the better chance of going to the SB over Tampa. Last year was our transition year so we are in a second year with the same offense not starting new. We are in our second year with our Coach's which means players know what to expect. We had the 4th ranked defense and knowing defense is what's getting teams to the playoffs adding Haynesworth would make our team a whole lot better.

True we had low scoring but most of the teams that made the playoffs that had a great defense scored low in their games all season also or so I thought I heard somewhere. ie; Baltimore, and Pittsburge, and Philli. I'm not sure of the others....I wanted to lump Arizona in there also but they could score. In any event, looking at the Skins if we could simply add one or two pieces to our defense to make it better then 4th ranked and add a few pieces to the offense coming back healthy having a better understanding of the offensive plays looks better then an unknown Tampa. I'm being very optimistic. I don't know who the other suiters were for Haynesworth to know if they would offer him a better chance for a SB ring.