Thoughts on Halls New contract with SKINS

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by Buster

Like many of you, I was nervous about Hall last year with his reputation coming from Atlanta and Oakland...but he behaved and made some huge INTs for us, a usual weakness for this team. He proved us all wrong. I'm sold on him now and very happy we resigned him.

He behaved for a couple months b/c he knew this was his last shot. He's a known for being disruptive in Atlanta, Oakland, and at VATech. So he's all of a sudden changed in a couple months? Doubt it.

We grossly overpaid him again. Personal issues aside he is an above average corner at best that has had trouble in protection over the years.

I would have been happy w/ a decent incentive based contract.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by redsk1

He behaved for a couple months b/c he knew this was his last shot. He's a known for being disruptive in Atlanta, Oakland, and at VATech. So he's all of a sudden changed in a couple months? Doubt it.

We grossly overpaid him again. Personal issues aside he is an above average corner at best that has had trouble in protection over the years.

I would have been happy w/ a decent incentive based contract.

I would have rather kept springs, signed Rogers to extension and signed Leigh Bodden. I just don't trust this guy, we'll see... if or how he burns us. I hope I'm wrong.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

I would have rather kept springs, signed Rogers to extension and signed Leigh Bodden. I just don't trust this guy, we'll see... if or how he burns us. I hope I'm wrong.

And you trust Springs' health?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

I would have rather kept springs, signed Rogers to extension and signed Leigh Bodden. I just don't trust this guy, we'll see... if or how he burns us. I hope I'm wrong.

Why do you trust Bodden and not Hall?

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Why do you trust Bodden and not Hall?

I haven't seen him make half the bonehead moves (personal fouls) that Hall makes and is a hell of a lot cheaper + he can play.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

I haven't seen him make half the bonehead moves (personal fouls) that Hall makes and is a hell of a lot cheaper + he can play.

He couldn't even start for the Lions...and he complained about it (for those thinking he's a golden boy)

He's cheaper because he's not as good

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

He couldn't even start for the Lions...and he complained about it (for those thinking he's a golden boy)

He's cheaper because he's not as good

We'll shall see how good Hall is. I'll remind you later.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Foxworth signed with the ravens for 16.5M garaunteed. We paid Hall 22.5M garaunteed. We paid almost 40% more for Hall. Do you guys think that Hall is that much better than foxworth? Is he worth the extra cash and cap hit?

Domonique Foxworth

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

I haven't seen him make half the bonehead moves (personal fouls) that Hall makes and is a hell of a lot cheaper + he can play.

The only foul that Hall committed as a Redskins was....

vs. Giants
PENALTY on WAS-D.Hall, Personal Foul, 8 yards, enforced at WAS 16. Late hit

So I don't know what other personal fouls you are talking about. I looked it up, if you don't trust me then go to ESPN, go the the Redskins schedule, click on each game and check the Play-by-Play.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

The only foul that Hall committed as a Redskins was....

vs. Giants
PENALTY on WAS-D.Hall, Personal Foul, 8 yards, enforced at WAS 16. Late hit

So I don't know what other personal fouls you are talking about. I looked it up, if you don't trust me then go to ESPN, go the the Redskins schedule, click on each game and check the Play-by-Play.

He had another one (can't remember the game) but when he was with Atlanta and Oakland it was pretty common. Did you watch the first Oakland game against Denver? He had like 3 PF and was getting burned left and right.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

He had another one (can't remember the game) but when he was with Atlanta and Oakland it was pretty common. Did you watch the first Oakland game against Denver? He had like 3 PF and was getting burned left and right.

Flag these guys down when there's a penalty on the play - NFL - ESPN
FYI- I used 2007 season since J.Taylor didnt play much of 08 You might be suprised of who else is on the list. including more redskins.
Most of these guys are also some of the best in the league. And I would welcome many of them to DC

***I don't recall seeing Hall on the list

Some Redskins that made the list:
*Jason Taylor for the eighth-most penalties in the league, regardless of position

*Fred Smoot is another opportunistic offender. Smoot has 28 penalties since 2004, despite starting only eight games in 2005.

*Sean Taylor, who has 11, for the league lead.

* Mike Sellers

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

He had another one (can't remember the game) but when he was with Atlanta and Oakland it was pretty common. Did you watch the first Oakland game against Denver? He had like 3 PF and was getting burned left and right.

Well there's a reason he was cut, I'm not denying that, but I feel getting cut like that may have been an eye opening experience for him. Teams could have easily passed over him and he would have been out of football for half a season. He saw Washington as an opportunity for redemption and played very well for us.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

I would have rather kept springs, signed Rogers to extension and signed Leigh Bodden. I just don't trust this guy, we'll see... if or how he burns us. I hope I'm wrong.

I like the contract. We (Skins FO) wanted Hall and did what we had to do to keep him. As far as Hall is concerned. He's a favorite player of mine so I'm glad he's here. My outlook on his performance: Modern day Prime Time (Shields up!)

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by redsk1

He behaved for a couple months b/c he knew this was his last shot. He's a known for being disruptive in Atlanta, Oakland, and at VATech. So he's all of a sudden changed in a couple months? Doubt it.

We grossly overpaid him again. Personal issues aside he is an above average corner at best that has had trouble in protection over the years.

I would have been happy w/ a decent incentive based contract.

That sums it up for me w/the exception of him being above avg. at best. I think if he worked hard (he's got a reputation for not studying much in practice) he could be one of the top 5 cb's if not the best in the nfl. He has all the tools, he's just a self-absorbed ass that seems to alienate people wherever he goes.
PS. So glad someone besides me finally mentioned his rep at VT!

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

That sums it up for me w/the exception of him being above avg. at best. I think if he worked hard (he's got a reputation for not studying much in practice) he could be one of the top 5 cb's if not the best in the nfl. He has all the tools, he's just a self-absorbed ass that seems to alienate people wherever he goes.
PS. So glad someone besides me finally mentioned his rep at VT!

Yea, i'm all for second chances. But it amazes me that some can cast aside years and years of bad behavior w/ a couple months of good behavior and say he's a changed man.

What if we lose some games? How's he going to act then? Anyone?

The skins have made it a priority to bring in high quality guys over the last 5 years. They've done a great job at it. I don't think this one is one of them.