Seems like Cutler might be available.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by That Guy

this is a stupid argument. cutler would want a 100mill contract, we don't have the space. there's no one to restructure for major money, and rabach and thrash won't even make up 3mill if they're both cut. beyond that, you're talking multiple draft picks.

cutler isn't bringing his offense or his WRs with him, and campbell's not the reason we lost last year (OL/WRs).

I don't think campbell is ever going to be one of the greats, but he's good and young and cutler isn't a big enough improvement to shower him/the broncos with crazy picks and money.

Nail, meet hammer. Thank you.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by That Guy

I don't think campbell is ever going to be one of the greats, but he's good and young and cutler isn't a big enough improvement to shower him/the broncos with crazy picks and money.

I agree that he won't be one of the top 3 or 4 in the league ever, but he can be everything that Cutler is and will be if we put the right team around him.

[Redskin Jim]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I agree that he won't be one of the top 3 or 4 in the league ever, but he can be everything that Cutler is and will be if we put the right team around him.

G stop trippin!! No way can JC have a career even close to Cutler's unless a flip/flop of offenses- I mean lines and wide out talent was to happen... JC= career journeyman, Cutler= career probowler.. Don't be too blinded as a homer..

[SkinzzFan]

Originally Posted by Redskin Jim

G stop trippin!! No way can JC have a career even close to Cutler's unless a flip/flop of offenses- I mean lines and wide out talent was to happen... JC= career journeyman, Cutler= career probowler.. Don't be too blinded as a homer..

Cutler may have better numbers than Campbell, but their career records are virtually identical. You can argue the Skins have a much better Defense, but I would argue the Broncos Offense (O-line, WR and most importantly the same offensive system) has been better than ours. With that said, I don't care what kind of numbers a QB puts up...winning is the name of the game. For their careers, it's a wash. The difference between these two guys is Campbell is a football player, a real gamer. Cutler is a whiney a$$ biznitch and a prima-dona (no clue if that's spelled correctly). Like I've previously stated, you can't tell if Campbell just threw a TD or an INT by his demeanor. Nothing seems to bother him. That's what I want in a QB. Let's give Campbell a second year in the same system. He hasn't been in the same system in consecutive years in the NFL yet.

BTW...Doug Williams was a career journeyman and the Skins did pretty well with him in 87...it's not just about the QB.

HAIL!

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by SkinzzFan

Cutler may have better numbers than Campbell, but their career records are virtually identical. You can argue the Skins have a much better Defense, but I would argue the Broncos Offense (O-line, WR and most importantly the same offensive system) has been better than ours. With that said, I don't care what kind of numbers a QB puts up...winning is the name of the game. For their careers, it's a wash. The difference between these two guys is Campbell is a football player, a real gamer. Cutler is a whiney a$$ biznitch and a prima-dona (no clue if that's spelled correctly). Like I've previously stated, you can't tell if Campbell just threw a TD or an INT by his demeanor. Nothing seems to bother him. That's what I want in a QB. Let's give Campbell a second year in the same system. He hasn't been in the same system in consecutive years in the NFL yet.

BTW...Doug Williams was a career journeyman and the Skins did pretty well with him in 87...it's not just about the QB.

HAIL!

I think that pretty much bottom lines it. I agree.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Zorn has a year left to prove himself, I don't think he's going to want to risk it by teaching another QB his system all over again. And you overlook the fact that Cutler's 2nd year was under the same offense and coach.

Campbell is like a large Millstone around Zorns neck. Zorns best change to extend his head coaching career beyond 2009 is to get a quarterback capeable of growing and improving in his system. If Zorn sticks with campbell all year, its almost 100% garaunteed that BOTH will be gone next year.

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I agree that he won't be one of the top 3 or 4 in the league ever, but he can be everything that Cutler is and will be if we put the right team around him.

which is easier - to invest everything you have and rework your entire offense to help make one mediocre quarterback look good.... or just go get yourself a good quarterback who can make everyone around him look better?

As far as Cutler wanting more money... he will, but not now. We wouldnt have to worry about extending him until next year if we brought him here.

That said, i dont really think we'd land Cutler, even if we were really going after him.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Campbell is like a large Millstone around Zorns neck. Zorns best change to extend his head coaching career beyond 2009 is to get a quarterback capeable of growing and improving in his system. If Zorn sticks with campbell all year, its almost 100% garaunteed that BOTH will be gone next year.



which is easier - to invest everything you have and rework your entire offense to help make one mediocre quarterback look good.... or just go get yourself a good quarterback who can make everyone around him look better?

As far as Cutler wanting more money... he will, but not now. We wouldnt have to worry about extending him until next year if we brought him here.

That said, i dont really think we'd land Cutler, even if we were really going after him.

Would you have made the same argument about Hasselback when he was benched by Zorn? or, if you were a Seattle fan, would you have been happy when they went to the SB with Hasselback.

Something else about this: if Zorn wanted Campbell gone, I guarantee he would be gone. Why, 1) because his career is on the line, 2) his reputation is on the line, 3) Danny seems really to listen to his coaches (some may disagree, but I think he always has), and 4) I don't believe salary cap wise its impossible like CP or JJ. So you can't say JC is a millstone, it is more so the girl he has brought to the party.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

which is easier - to invest everything you have and rework your entire offense to help make one mediocre quarterback look good.... or just go get yourself a good quarterback who can make everyone around him look better?

As far as Cutler wanting more money... he will, but not now. We wouldnt have to worry about extending him until next year if we brought him here.

That said, i dont really think we'd land Cutler, even if we were really going after him.

Okay, you've missed the point above. This isn't mediocre Jason Campbell vs. superior/all-mighty Jay Cutler. This is two players with the same exact skill set and career background, except one has a tendency to go downfield more often (higher YPA) and more efficiently, and is also far more prone to the big mistake (much higher INT rate) than the other.

And if you're asking which player fits better in Zorn's philosophy to micromanage the entire game, it's no question that Jason Campbell fits better.

But here's the really offensive thing: we have the undervalued player, and they have the overvalued player. So if there's anything serious about the trade talks, we've already committed an error. Well, the other offensive thing is that you think that Jay Cutler can be magically successful here if we don't rework the offensive line. Uh, no, no he cannot. Cutler is a young guy long on potential (like Campbell), but neither of them has ever posted a QB rating above 90. If you honestly think that coming here is going to put him over the hump into the elite "holier than Campbell" category, then you are very, very mistaken.

There's no question that Cutler will change the dynamic of our passing game. He just likely wouldn't make it any better.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Okay, you've missed the point above. This isn't mediocre Jason Campbell vs. superior/all-mighty Jay Cutler. This is two players with the same exact skill set and career background, except one has a tendency to go downfield more often (higher YPA) and more efficiently, and is also far more prone to the big mistake (much higher INT rate) than the other.

And if you're asking which player fits better in Zorn's philosophy to micromanage the entire game, it's no question that Jason Campbell fits better.

How can you claim (with a straight face) that Campbell fits Zorns offense better? I cant think of many worse mis-matches in football today. Campbells improvement (primarily fewer fumbles and INTs) is nothing more than a testament to Zorns teaching ability combined with Campbell being too scared to make a mistake. Cutler is by far a better QB for Zorns system and I have no doubt Cutler would cut his INTs in half and fumble less here. Cutler also had far fewer offensive weapons and a weaker offensive line and running back than Campbell has been blessed with.

Campbell has been given more tools to succeed than most young quarterbacks and he continues to fall short.

But here's the really offensive thing: we have the undervalued player, and they have the overvalued player. So if there's anything serious about the trade talks, we've already committed an error. Well, the other offensive thing is that you think that Jay Cutler can be magically successful here if we don't rework the offensive line. Uh, no, no he cannot. Cutler is a young guy long on potential (like Campbell), but neither of them has ever posted a QB rating above 90. If you honestly think that coming here is going to put him over the hump into the elite "holier than Campbell" category, then you are very, very mistaken.

There's no question that Cutler will change the dynamic of our passing game. He just likely wouldn't make it any better.

I dont think Campbell is undervalued or Cutler is overvalued at all. Campbell is nothing more than a mediocre quarterback. He's average. Cutler has been extremely impressive on a team with a horrible defense, weak offensive line, weak running game, although with better receivers than what Campbell had in washington. If Campbell had been behind denvers line and with their defense last year, theres no question he'd have been cut or traded already. The Campbell/Zorn marriage is never going to be successful. So far, chosing Zorn to be OC and later HC while keeping Campbell, is by far the worst thing Cerrato and Snyder have done in recent memory.

[Ruhskins]

Seems like we're not the only ones hearing rumors about Cutler. This is pretty hilarious.

Why it's all Jay Cutler, all the time - Don Banks - SI.com

[mredskins]

Post on RI:

Well here’s the latest rumor on this Cutler saga so take it for what it’s worth. According to the Bleacher report, yes I know… risky, it’s a three-way trade with Cutler, Scheffler and a Browns 3rd round pick going to Washington, Chris Cooley, Jason Campbell and a Denver 5th rounder to Cleveland and Brady Quinn and Washington S LaRon Landry going to Denver

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Post on RI:

Well here’s the latest rumor on this Cutler saga so take it for what it’s worth. According to the Bleacher report, yes I know… risky, it’s a three-way trade with Cutler, Scheffler and a Browns 3rd round pick going to Washington, Chris Cooley, Jason Campbell and a Denver 5th rounder to Cleveland and Brady Quinn and Washington S LaRon Landry going to Denver

That's the article that started all this nonsense.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Post on RI:

Well here’s the latest rumor on this Cutler saga so take it for what it’s worth. According to the Bleacher report, yes I know… risky, it’s a three-way trade with Cutler, Scheffler and a Browns 3rd round pick going to Washington, Chris Cooley, Jason Campbell and a Denver 5th rounder to Cleveland and Brady Quinn and Washington S LaRon Landry going to Denver

So we'd lose CC, JC, LL for Cutler, Scheffler, and a 3rd.

You just don't give up a talented young safety, a PB TE, and a solid QB for much less. It's all speculation anyway. I hope.

I wouldn't want this to happen, but i do happen to think the Jay Cutler is really good. Really good.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by redsk1

So we'd lose CC, JC, LL for Cutler, Scheffler, and a 3rd.

You just don't give up a talented young safety, a PB TE, and a solid QB for much less. It's all speculation anyway. I hope.

I wouldn't want this to happen, but i do happen to think the Jay Cutler is really good. Really good.

actually, the Browns dont have a thirds, so we'd lose all that for just Cutler and Shaffer... and theres no way the salary cap would allow that trade... which is why i stopped going to the bleacherreport... they made up crap and speculated to get hits on their website.

[MTK]

Here's something a little more reliable:

The Jay Cutler Speculation: We continue to hear nothing tangible about this "trade" whatsoever. Vinny Cerrato has denied it up and down, not just to the media but to football people around the league. He's also denied it to agents for some Redskins players, according to league sources, some of whom could be potentially directly affected by the alleged swap(s). It's one thing to be less that truthful with the media and fans, and quite another to do so with people you hope to maintain an ongoing business relationship with.

Make no mistake, there was some chatter going around the league earlier this week, unsubstantiated talk and not backed up by fact (the kind of gosspi that is a part of any business/corporation/league), that the Skins had a thing for the Denver QB. But it's quite another to report the inner workings of alleged three-way blockbuster deals as if they are potentially imminent. And, again, fitting a guy like Cutler under the cap, and absorbing massive cap hits from dealing guys like Chris Cooley, at a time when you only have the space to offer vet minimum deals for potential starters, is still something that seems impossible and render such deals as nonstarters.

Weekly Round-Up: Obligatory Cutler Stuff, Free Agent Wrap, Etc. - Redskins Insider