The Redskins want to replace Jon Jansen for good

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

So they blame the defense and the offensive line for last year's collapse. For some people it really is a struggle to see what's right in front of their noses.

The deal with Wide Receivers is that they can either play or they can't. Try and think of a WR that struggled, struggled, and then was great all of the sudden in year 3. I can't either. Name me a receiver that had a rookie season like the two stiffs we drafted that ever amounted to a pile of pooh. There aren't any. So, we spend the next however many years pretending that a defense that never gave up more than 25 points in a game or an offensive line that is a lot better than say Arizona's, is the problem while Vinny Cerrato continues to assure us that THIS will be the week that Kelly and Thomas breakout. I've seen this movie before.

Steve Smith, Wes Welker, Vincent Jackson each had 10 or fewer receptions their first season; Chad Johnson, TJ Houshmandzadeh, Plaxico Burress each had 20 or fewer.

Steve Smith's rookie season: 10 catches, 154 yards, 4 carries, 43 yards (8 fumbles, 3 lost)

Devin Thomas: 15 catches, 120 yards, 3 carries, 54 yards, 1 TD

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Steve Smith, Wes Welker, Vincent Jackson each had 10 or fewer receptions their first season; Chad Johnson, TJ Houshmandzadeh, Plaxico Burress each had 20 or fewer.

Steve Smith's rookie season: 10 catches, 154 yards, 4 carries, 43 yards (8 fumbles, 3 lost)

Devin Thomas: 15 catches, 120 yards, 3 carries, 54 yards, 1 TD

Six names. You have access to all the power of ESPN and you come up with 6 names. How many people have played the position in the last fifteen years? Hundreds. I stand by my contention that if it looks like a bust, smells like a bust, lives in the training room like a bust, and can't memorize plays like a bust, then it is probably a bust.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

Six names. You have access to all the power of ESPN and you come up with 6 names. How many people have played the position in the last fifteen years? Hundreds. I stand by my contention that if it looks like a bust, smells like a bust, lives in the training room like a bust, and can't memorize plays like a bust, then it is probably a bust.

do you're own research then. the list is pretty long... mccardell didn't do anything till his 4th year, ginn had 400 yards his rookie season (and he started 9 games)... winslow had 2 crappy years , coles only had 370 his first season (another guy that started games). burress had 270 his rookie year (starting 9 games - and 0 TDs). hines ward had 240 yards as a rookie.

search nfl.com if you want more. it's VERY rare for a WR to jump in like boldin or colston.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by That Guy

do you're own research then. the list is pretty long... mccardell didn't do anything till his 4th year, ginn had 400 yards his rookie season (and he started 9 games)... winslow had 2 crappy years , coles only had 370 his first season (another guy that started games). burress had 270 his rookie year (starting 9 games - and 0 TDs). hines ward had 240 yards as a rookie.

search nfl.com if you want more. it's VERY rare for a WR to jump in like boldin or colston.

It's not even worth discussing, he said there weren't any at all. Clearly that's wrong. But he still believes what he believes. I guess we should just draft more wide receivers this year

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

It's not even worth discussing, he said there weren't any at all. Clearly that's wrong. But he still believes what he believes. I guess we should just draft more wide receivers this year

Who needs research when you have the smell test? Don't you know that trumps all?

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

It's not even worth discussing, he said there weren't any at all. Clearly that's wrong. But he still believes what he believes. I guess we should just draft more wide receivers this year

We should but we won't. Instead we will have to make do with assurances that prosperity is right around the corner.

They all know that Thomas is a bust at Redskins Park, they just can't admit it. Kelly has promise, but he's apparently got the knee that won't heal, like Gilbert Arenas or Lavar Arrington. (I think Rocky Mcintosh has it as well) I hope you guys are right, but honestly, do you really think these two will ever amount to anything? If you could trade Thomas and Kelly for 1 second round pick today, wouldn't you do it? I sure would. But who would have them? Who would be almost as stupid as us? (We gave up two second round picks for them) No one, that's who.

To pretend that the defense was the problem last year and to have intelligent people believe it, boggles the mind. "Gee, if the defense had only given up three points we could have beaten Pittsburgh." "If we hadn't given up 16 points to THE DEFENDING WORLD CHAMPS, our 7 points would have been great". Honestly, who held the Giants to 16 in the first 12 weeks of the season?

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

We should but we won't. Instead we will have to make do with assurances that prosperity is right around the corner.

They all know that Thomas is a bust at Redskins Park, they just can't admit it. Kelly has promise, but he's apparently got the knee that won't heal, like Gilbert Arenas or Lavar Arrington. (I think Rocky Mcintosh has it as well) I hope you guys are right, but honestly, do you really think these two will ever amount to anything? If you could trade Thomas and Kelly for 1 second round pick today, wouldn't you do it? I sure would. But who would have them? Who would be almost as stupid as us? (We gave up two second round picks for them) No one, that's who.

To pretend that the defense was the problem last year and to have intelligent people believe it, boggles the mind. "Gee, if the defense had only given up three points we could have beaten Pittsburgh." "If we hadn't given up 16 points to THE DEFENDING WORLD CHAMPS, our 7 points would have been great". Honestly, who held the Giants to 16 in the first 12 weeks of the season?

What's w/ all the negativity surrounding Thomas/Kelly. First of all, have you watched vids of Thomas w/ the ball in his hand? His athleticism is off the chart... I'll say right now that after Moss this kid will be the most explosive player on offense WHEN HE HAS THE BALL IN HIS HANDS. And that's the crux of it. He never learned to run routes and, oh what a surprise, has shown poor hands. HIXON! Who's f'ing job is it to see that the 2 rookies in your group 1) take the off-season serious 2) learn the playbook like the back if their hand 3) learn to run crisp routes. What's the problem... Hixon has too many other responsibilities. RIDICULOUS. Meanwhile Kelly was an excellent route runner in college and had great hands... gets to Redskin Park and looks like he's a basketball player in football pads.

... please don't throw our rookies under the bus when their direct coach has never developed an NFL player in his entire career. The only real mistake the FO has made this year, and it's a huge one IMO, is keeping Hixon on the staff.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by The Goat

What's w/ all the negativity surrounding Thomas/Kelly. First of all, have you watched vids of Thomas w/ the ball in his hand? His athleticism is off the chart... I'll say right now that after Moss this kid will be the most explosive player on offense WHEN HE HAS THE BALL IN HIS HANDS. And that's the crux of it. He never learned to run routes and, oh what a surprise, has shown poor hands. HIXON! Who's f'ing job is it to see that the 2 rookies in your group 1) take the off-season serious 2) learn the playbook like the back if their hand 3) learn to run crisp routes. What's the problem... Hixon has too many other responsibilities. RIDICULOUS. Meanwhile Kelly was an excellent route runner in college and had great hands... gets to Redskin Park and looks like he's a basketball player in football pads.

... please don't throw our rookies under the bus when their direct coach has never developed an NFL player in his entire career. The only real mistake the FO has made this year, and it's a huge one IMO, is keeping Hixon on the staff.

I normally agree with your analysis' of the situation, but the assumption that Hixon is all that is wrong with the development of our receivers, and using youtube type evidence to support it is something I strongly disagree with.

There is clearly no objective reason to believe that Hixon has any control over the long-term development over the young receivers. He's one of many coaches that these gentlemen have had over the life of their football careers, and it's a self-serving argument to ignore their development until last year in considering why a player with "youtube" skills and combine numbers could possibly ever bust.

Furthermore, it's probably very, very wrong. To make the assumption that there's anything Hixon should have done that would have changed their plight...if not wrong, it's something that you can't pretend to know from the information that we have as fans.

You've heard the phrase "correlation does not equal causation", well, this is you ignoring that really, really obviously.

[backrow]

Interesting four page read about a WAPO Insider article of pure conjecture!

Insider apparently doesn't access CC/Schneed's salary cap page here in the Warpath! We still have some Cap wiggle room. Everything written in the Insider needs to be taken with a grain of salt!

[rypper11]

Originally Posted by backrow

Interesting four page read about a WAPO Insider article of pure conjecture!

Insider apparently doesn't access CC/Schneed's salary cap page here in the Warpath! We still have some Cap wiggle room. Everything written in the Insider needs to be taken with a grain of salt!

My thoughts exactly. As was written in another thread by several people, the Post no longer has any "inside" info. In fact, the casual fan who watches Total Access has more insider info on the Skins.

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by That Guy

do you're own research then. the list is pretty long... mccardell didn't do anything till his 4th year, ginn had 400 yards his rookie season (and he started 9 games)... winslow had 2 crappy years , coles only had 370 his first season (another guy that started games). burress had 270 his rookie year (starting 9 games - and 0 TDs). hines ward had 240 yards as a rookie.

search nfl.com if you want more. it's VERY rare for a WR to jump in like boldin or colston.

Here's my list of every receiver drafted in the first two rounds since 2000. Which excludes guys like the Real Steve Smith (3rd round) and Colston among others. It gave me a less than sanguine outlook on Thomas especially. I would actually say the guys who come from nowhere are more the exception than the rule.

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...tml#post522944

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

Here's my list of every receiver drafted in the first two rounds since 2000. Which excludes guys like the Real Steve Smith (3rd round) and Colston among others. It gave me a less than sanguine outlook on Thomas especially. I would actually say the guys who come from nowhere are more the exception than the rule.

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...tml#post522944

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