Talking Heisman

[skinsfanthru&thru]

Originally Posted by d151b

i see there's some major jason white haters up in here.... that's funny you bash the qb who had the best stats of any heisman winning qb in college football history. 40 td's 10 int's qb rating of 168, but he didn't deserve it... do you think fitzgerald should have won the award? seeing as how pittsburgh plays nfl caliber competition like ball state, toledo, rutgers, kent state.... etc. yep, your argument holds water.

I agree. Most people r down on white cuz last year all the votes were in before he finished for sh#$ in OU's last 2 games but anybody saying he wouldn't deserve to be up for it this year is on something. I personally hope Peterson wins it not only cuz he;s an awesome rb but because I want to see a deserving freshman finally not be snubbed cuz he's a freshman. But I think Leinart wins cuz Peterson and White will split votes. It's kind of funny how a month or so into the season everyone was ready to hand the award to orton of pitt and then went his hopes. Also how about Alex Smith I believe it is out of Utah?

[jdlea]

It had recently been working out that the QB who plays the best in games that don't matter wins the Heisman. I look for someone who can step up their game when the pressure is on. Tell me just how Jason White did that last year. Was it the loss to LSU or the 4 picks he threw in the Conference title game? Enlighten me.

[jdlea]

I don't even know why I argue who should get the Heisman. The list of winners over the last 20 years reads like a laundry list of bad NFL players:

1984 Doug Flutie Boston College QB
1985 Bo Jackson Auburn RB
1986 Vinny Testaverde Miami (Fla) QB
1987 Tim Brown Notre Dame WR
1988 Barry Sanders Oklahoma State RB
1989 Andre Ware Houston QB
1990 Ty Detmer Brigham Young QB
1991 Desmond Howard Michigan WR
1992 Gino Torretta Miami (Fla) QB
1993 Charlie Ward Florida State QB
1994 Rashaan Salaam Colorado RB
1995 Eddie George Ohio State RB
1996 Danny Wuerffel Florida QB
1997 Charles Woodson Michigan CB
1998 Ricky Williams Texas RB
1999 Ron Dayne Wisconsin RB
2000 Chris Weinke Florida State QB
2001 Eric Crouch Nebraska QB
2002 Carson Palmer USC QB
2003 Jason White Oklahoma QB

The good ones? Bo Jackson, Tim Brown, Barry Sanders, Eddie George, maybe Woodson and it depends on your opinion of Testaverde.

The rest of them weren't that good. Time will tell about Palmer, but just yesterday PTI and Around the Horn were both debating about whether Jason White would even make an NFL roster. So, as good a college quarterback as he may be; he'll be an elite class with the likes of Danny Wuerffel, Eric Crouch, Chris Weinke, Charlie Ward, Gino Torretta, Ty Detmer and Andre Ware.

Come to think of it, I hope he does win the Heisman, I don't want it to jinx any of the college players who actually have a future in football.

[d151b]

Originally Posted by jdlea

The list of winners over the last 20 years reads like a laundry list of bad NFL players:

1984 Doug Flutie Boston College QB
1985 Bo Jackson Auburn RB
1986 Vinny Testaverde Miami (Fla) QB
1987 Tim Brown Notre Dame WR
1988 Barry Sanders Oklahoma State RB
1989 Andre Ware Houston QB
1990 Ty Detmer Brigham Young QB
1991 Desmond Howard Michigan WR
1992 Gino Torretta Miami (Fla) QB
1993 Charlie Ward Florida State QB
1994 Rashaan Salaam Colorado RB
1995 Eddie George Ohio State RB
1996 Danny Wuerffel Florida QB
1997 Charles Woodson Michigan CB
1998 Ricky Williams Texas RB
1999 Ron Dayne Wisconsin RB
2000 Chris Weinke Florida State QB
2001 Eric Crouch Nebraska QB
2002 Carson Palmer USC QB
2003 Jason White Oklahoma QB



Come to think of it, I hope he does win the Heisman, I don't want it to jinx any of the college players who actually have a future in football.

you need to go back a little further as well, (tony dorsett, hershcel walker, jim plunkett, earl campbell, marcus allen..... these guys were all a huge wash in the nfl) the ones that usually don't pan out are the qb's. it's THE most difficult position to scout for the nfl. the majority of the top notch nfl qb's were late rounders. montana, brady.... where guys like ryan leaf and heath shuler turned out to be perverbial nfl turds!

[skinsfanthru&thru]

Originally Posted by jdlea

It had recently been working out that the QB who plays the best in games that don't matter wins the Heisman. I look for someone who can step up their game when the pressure is on. Tell me just how Jason White did that last year. Was it the loss to LSU or the 4 picks he threw in the Conference title game? Enlighten me.

so White should be penalized on this year's award because of what happened last season?

[skinsfanthru&thru]

and no matter what he's done the past 6-7 monthes, Ricky Williams was a damn good running back while he was playing, plus thanks to him we got all those extra picks, lol.