Willis picks Seahawks over SKINS

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Yeah I see you're point. It's damned if ya do and damned if ya don't.

Questions for you then... why have we been so hesitant to shore up positions of need? Daniels/Wynn for LDE? Crowell on another short term deal for LB? I mean, if the FO knows we're unlikely to have any more gems fall into our lap why aren't we being proactive now before we continue to see opportunities taken away (like Willis even though I realize he was far from a lock to start at RT)... you get my drift.

They didn't want to overpay for Willis, and I can't blame them for that, but now it's clear we needed him more than he needed us.

We have no reason to rush and spend for anyone else, I guess, because the talent is simply not there. LE is easy. That's the easiest position on the field in the Blache scheme, plus we have two system familiar guys on the FA market with no competition for either. On top of all of that, the market is flooded with guys who would do the same thing for less than a million dollars in this defense. So we could wait until (not Cato) June if we wanted to to get our starting LE.

The way I see it, there are no oppertunities to get taken away. I personally would bring Crowell in for a visit asap, but I'm not fooling anyone when I point out that we simply aren't interested in him.

We're adding a linebacker and an offensive lineman with our first two picks, whenever they may be. That's really obvious at this point. It's also obvious that Vinny is going to try his darnest to trade back, but that's going to be done before draft day, if at all, I think.

And, unfortunately, I don't see us being very deep at all on either side of the ball next year. I don't like our roster very much the way it stands right now, although we're probably a lock for 8 wins as long as Campbell and Haynesworth are a lock for 16 games.

With our star power, we should be the favorites in the division, but I just can't make the case that we are right now.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

They didn't want to overpay for Willis, and I can't blame them for that, but now it's clear we needed him more than he needed us.

We have no reason to rush and spend for anyone else, I guess, because the talent is simply not there. LE is easy. That's the easiest position on the field in the Blache scheme, plus we have two system familiar guys on the FA market with no competition for either. On top of all of that, the market is flooded with guys who would do the same thing for less than a million dollars in this defense. So we could wait until (not Cato) June if we wanted to to get our starting LE.

The way I see it, there are no oppertunities to get taken away. I personally would bring Crowell in for a visit asap, but I'm not fooling anyone when I point out that we simply aren't interested in him.

We're adding a linebacker and an offensive lineman with our first two picks, whenever they may be. That's really obvious at this point. It's also obvious that Vinny is going to try his darnest to trade back, but that's going to be done before draft day, if at all, I think.

And, unfortunately, I don't see us being very deep at all on either side of the ball next year. I don't like our roster very much the way it stands right now, although we're probably a lock for 8 wins as long as Campbell and Haynesworth are a lock for 16 games.

With our star power, we should be the favorites in the division, but I just can't make the case that we are right now.

Nice post... everything here makes sense but I don't get the draft day comment. Won't trade-back scenarios evolve as the perennial draft order shake-ups occur?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Nice post... everything here makes sense but I don't get the draft day comment. Won't trade-back scenarios evolve as the perennial draft order shake-ups occur?

It's the same assumption I made above. The draft analysts are VASTLY overvaluing the quarterback class because...well...it's what they do. Teams are smarter than that (well, at least the ones that don't get their scouting info from the nat'l media, which excludes the Raiders and Bengals).

Basically, any player that could potentially create value by slipping to us at No. 13 would be a player that we would take with the pick. That's pretty much the tackles, Crabtree, Orakpo, or Curry. We'd take all of those guys even with trade offers on the table.

So we might be able to make something before the first player gets taken, which would be the risk-averse move, and would keep us out of the following situation:

1. Curry
2. Monroe
3. Orakpo
4. Smith
5. Jenkins
6. Raji
7. Crabtree
8. Oher
9. Smith
10. Sanchez
11. Lauranitis
12. V. Davis
13. ?

Because that pick is either Cushing, Mack, or Maualuga, and as good a player as I think Rey can be, that's not a good situation for us to make that call over two more immediate impact players.

[cobracai1]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

It's the same assumption I made above. The draft analysts are VASTLY overvaluing the quarterback class because...well...it's what they do. Teams are smarter than that (well, at least the ones that don't get their scouting info from the nat'l media, which excludes the Raiders and Bengals).

Basically, any player that could potentially create value by slipping to us at No. 13 would be a player that we would take with the pick. That's pretty much the tackles, Crabtree, Orakpo, or Curry. We'd take all of those guys even with trade offers on the table.

So we might be able to make something before the first player gets taken, which would be the risk-averse move, and would keep us out of the following situation:

1. Curry
2. Monroe
3. Orakpo
4. Smith
5. Jenkins
6. Raji
7. Crabtree
8. Oher
9. Smith
10. Sanchez
11. Lauranitis
12. V. Davis
13. ?

Because that pick is either Cushing, Mack, or Maualuga, and as good a player as I think Rey can be, that's not a good situation for us to make that call over two more immediate impact players.

What I think is hard for people to realize is that this scenario is not far fetched at all. If we don't do anything from now til the draft, and this happens, we will reach. I'm not saying it would be the end of the world but it would be disappointing considering we started in the beginning of March with 12Million dollars in cap room and the 13 pick and we come away with one player.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

With our star power, we should be the favorites in the division, but I just can't make the case that we are right now.

Ohhhh, so that's how it's done "STAR POWER".Not coaching,talent or hard work,not even chemistry...........star power,I'll let Tom Coughlin know that.

[Giantone]

So let me ask you this , you don't think there is a chance the Giants might trade one or two of the D linemen to maybe move up in the draft?