Redskins may sign Daniels and Wynn?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

To me rankings mean nothing unless you're a coordinator in a contract year. I'd be thrilled if we were ranked 15th in total defense if we led the league in scoring defense, sacks and turnovers. The things that matter are changing field position and preventing points from being put up on you.

Well without sacks and scoring our D still was ranked 4th because we did prevent teams from scoring and thats the main thing that any D must do.

[freddyg12]

If anything, the disdain KI feels about Daniels & Wynn makes sense when you consider that they didn't try to re-sign Evans. Purely from a football standpoint it doesn't make sense that either of those guys would win the job over Evans, so I'm assuming that the cap #s didn't work to have Evans back & they feel either of these guys will play cheap (can I get a Vet Min.!).

They're also possibly gambling that Jackson/Buzbee/Wilson &/or a pick in the draft will be able to earn minutes & make the team in the future as well.

I like both Daniels and Wynn, but you must admit, cutting Wynn 2 yrs. ago & then bringing him back now at his age looks kinda funny. Maybe it was that sack he got on us after beating his buddy Jansen that made the staff think he's still got it?

[Defensewins]

If they sign Daniels and Wynn, they still have to go to camp and make the team. You are assuming a lot if you think they will both make the final cuts. A lot could happen; a young DE like Rob Jackson, Chris Wilson or Alex Buzbee or a rookie might step up and make Wynn and Daniels dispensable.
Wynn and Daniels will most likely be signed to non-guaranteed contracts, thus making them very easy to cut if the do not produce.

[Eknox]

we need to put in the young guy's and give them a chance, how long do you develop players? I say it's time for them to perform or get gone...if we can't play them and sign the over the hill game, and we just have them there for the hell of it I'll take that job I'm 6'3 246..lol

[70Chip]

Daniels went to Georgia which is good enough for me. Seriuosly,the guy is huge and he is solid against the run and he can move inside on pass rushing downs to spell the bigs. Plus, he should be hungry coming off the dissapointment of last year. SHOULD. You never know if these guys take a year off and find out football wasn't really that big of a deal.

Wynn, yeah who cares.

If Kendall doesn't mind backing up, he's okay with me. I can't imagine that somebody wouldn't be willling to pay him slightly more than we would though. To me Kendall is a little better than people ever gave him credit for. Really good on zone plays. In terms of him at center, didn't he part ways with the Jets because they wanted him to play center? Or was it money? I just remember it reminded me of those Matthau/Lemon movies where they pull shenanigans on each other. Mangini actually stuck Kendall in the rookie dorm at one point.

[SmootSmack]

Where is this Wynn is 40 thing coming from? He's 35.

I think both are very underrated and underappreciated, but I don't think we need them both.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Where is this Wynn is 40 thing coming from? He's 35.

I think both are very underrated and underappreciated, but I don't think we need them both.

You might be right, but with no impact free agents out there to be had and salary cap space not very tight, we might as well grab them both and let them fight it out in training camp with whatever young guys we can get our hands on.

And I agree they are underappreciated, especially Daniels. I still think his strength at the point of attack goes a long way to allowing the LBs to make plays on the edge. Justin Tuck he's not, but at this point he's better than anybody currently on the roster.

[MTK]

Perhaps the pursuit of both is due to Daniel's health... Maybe once they get to camp and he shows he can hold up they would let Wynn go?

[Zerohero]

OP makes it sound like "Over the Hill Gang" was bad, some of the skin's best years were during this time. Nothing wrong with having ton of older players on team, ask the patriots bout that.

[GMScud]

I'm all for stockpiling bodies on the lines, but both of these guys are 35+, and injury is a concern with Daniels. A 36 year old coming off knee reconstruction doesn't exactly give me the warm and fuzzies. If we do sign Wynn, I could see him getting cut if Wilson/Buzbee/Rob Jackson step up in OTAs/training camp.

I still think we should have made it a higher priority to bring back Demetric Evans.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I'm all for stockpiling bodies on the lines, but both of these guys are 35+, and injury is a concern with Daniels. A 36 year old coming off knee reconstruction doesn't exactly give me the warm and fuzzies. If we do sign Wynn, I could see him getting cut if Wilson/Buzbee/Rob Jackson step up in OTAs/training camp.

I still think we should have made it a higher priority to bring back Demetric Evans.

How do you feel about Kenechi Udeze?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

How do you feel about Kenechi Udeze?

Gesundheit!

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

How do you feel about Kenechi Udeze?

If his leukemia is in full remission, I'd love to have him. Isn't he under contract with Minnesota through 2009 though?

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Zerohero

OP makes it sound like "Over the Hill Gang" was bad, some of the skin's best years were during this time. Nothing wrong with having ton of older players on team, ask the patriots bout that.

Yeah people fail to realize the older players still have much to accomplish. If healthy. Gibbs hired older players all the time because they were smarter and knew how to get the job done and wouldn't make mental mistakes. Funny how the "Over the hill gang" was actually the hogs when the Skins went to the SB's.

Someone mentioned in the Elway thread that after Gibbs left so did all his linemen and that had Gibbs been able to aquire Elway he probably would have stayed and the linemen. I think it's totally wrong. Gibbs left cause he was burnt out, plus the CAP was going to be implimented. There were alot of questions about what the CAP was going to do to teams and coach's. I don't think Gibbs agreed with the CAP and felt it would hinder coach's and he didn't want to be apart of it. Having said all that.....the linemen were old. Gibbs would have had to start a new with the lines which with the CAP would have created a problem. Although my arguement may be garbage considering Norv stepped in shortly after and started making changes which kept us at the top of our division and into the playoffs a couple of time only to not get to the SB. Wow, Norv has not changed. lol.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Zerohero

OP makes it sound like "Over the Hill Gang" was bad, some of the skin's best years were during this time. Nothing wrong with having ton of older players on team, ask the patriots bout that.

The original "Over the Hill Gang" was good because we hadn't made the playoffs in a long time before they came here and we did after they came here.

Daniels and Wynn were here before and we didn't make the playoffs with them. So, the more recent edition of the gang ( which now includes Jansen, Randy Thomas, et. al.) is not good because we haven't made the playoffs with them. And, yes, my definition of good is making the playoffs.

So the question I would like to ask the front office is "What is your personnel plan to help this team make the playoffs"? If their plan is to start most of the same people who couldn't get it done before and then bring in a few more (Daniels, Wynn, and Dockery) who also couldn't get it done before in Washington, then why wouldn't I have reason to question their actions?

Do you really think that adding one great DT will get us there? I don't.