How long do you keep Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly if they don't produce?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

You pointed out the ultimate irony! For all of the whining about wanting to build thru the draft how many would be willing to live with 4-12, 6-10, 8-8 while the draft classes come into their own to become a consistent 10-6, 12-4 type team? The FO 'built thru the draft' last year and got ripped all year for the draft picks not becoming Hall of Famers out of the gate. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Vinny guy, but it's frustrating to hear the constant whining and complaining regardless of which direction we go. So ridiculous.

And then when we get involved in free agency, we don't get involved enough. We signed Haynesworth and Dockery? Well, what about Bodden, Canty, Brown, Willis, Bernard, Lechler, Asomugha, why didn't we get all those guys too????

But that's what fans are I guess....crazy, ridiculous, fanatics. The key is for the Front Office not to act like fans and we'll be fine

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

And then when we get involved in free agency, we don't get involved enough. We signed Haynesworth and Dockery? Well, what about Bodden, Canty, Brown, Willis, Bernard, Lechler, Asomugha, why didn't we get all those guys too????

But that's what fans are I guess....crazy, ridiculous, fanatics. The key is for the Front Office not to act like fans and we'll be fine

The reason is because we gave up draft picks for Jason Taylor. Now we have more needs than picks. To remain competative this year we had to make some moves in FA and I can understand why some fans are upset. It would seem as if we had not addressed enough needs yet through FA.

If the FO didn't want to be scrutinized then they should not have given away multiple draft picks for a player that they might only get 2 seasons out of (we got 1 BTW). They shouldn't have wasted a Draft pick on a punter when there were still quality LB's left in the draft. They should have picked up at least 1 DE instead of two WR's and a TE. Hell, I am sure that we could have squeezed in another Olineman too. We had 10 picks (at one point) last year and addressed 2 basic positions (Pass catcher and Safety). Sprinkle in a OG, QB, and P and walla...we didn't do squat. Then we give away 2 picks in the same year for a guy that lasts one. It crippled us. We needed a big FA period this season... and no they haven't done enough.

And you guys think that the FO is damned if they do, or damned if they don't? Get real, they keep putting the team in bad situations with bad decisions. The one time that they had a good situation, they screwed it up big time.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Angry

The reason is because we gave up draft picks for Jason Taylor. Now we have more needs than picks. To remain competative this year we had to make some moves in FA and I can understand why some fans are upset. It would seem as if we had not addressed enough needs yet through FA.

If the FO didn't want to be scrutinized then they should not have given away multiple draft picks for a player that they might only get 2 seasons out of (we got 1 BTW). They shouldn't have wasted a Draft pick on a punter when there were still quality LB's left in the draft. They should have picked up at least 1 DE instead of two WR's and a TE. Hell, I am sure that we could have squeezed in another Olineman too. We had 10 picks (at one point) last year and addressed 2 basic positions (Pass catcher and Safety). Sprinkle in a OG, QB, and P and walla...we didn't do squat. Then we give away 2 picks in the same year for a guy that lasts one. It crippled us. We needed a big FA period this season... and no they haven't done enough.

And you guys think that the FO is damned if they do, or damned if they don't? Get real, they keep putting the team in bad situations with bad decisions. The one time that they had a good situation, they screwed it up big time.

The FO is damned if they do or damned if they don't. As Matty said, everyone thinks they can run the team better. All FOs are going to make bad decisions, and all teams are not going to be able to address everything or have quality starters at every single position. Even the mighty NE Patriots just gave up a 4th rounder for a guy (Greg Lewis) that's at best the 3rd best wideout, had mediocre numbers last season, and is pushing 30 yrs. old.

Now I think you're bringing up an issue (giving up picks for Taylor) that has nothing to do with what's being discussed. Yes, giving up a two draft picks (well I think of it as one pick, b/c the other pick is not that valuable) for Jason Taylor was a mistake, big deal, get over it, complaining about it is not going to bring those two picks back. The issue at hand is that people are complaining that our two WRs did not have Pro Bowl stats in their first year. Which is ridiculous to expect this, given that most players need time to develop. My whole point is, if you mention the words "let's build through the draft" don't turn around and rant that Kelly and Thomas need to be cut b/c they didn't produce their first year.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

The FO is damned if they do or damned if they don't. As Matty said, everyone thinks they can run the team better. All FOs are going to make bad decisions, and all teams are not going to be able to address everything or have quality starters at every single position. Even the mighty NE Patriots just gave up a 4th rounder for a guy (Greg Lewis) that's at best the 3rd best wideout, had mediocre numbers last season, and is pushing 30 yrs. old.

Now I think you're bringing up an issue (giving up picks for Taylor) that has nothing to do with what's being discussed. Yes, giving up a two draft picks (well I think of it as one pick, b/c the other pick is not that valuable) for Jason Taylor was a mistake, big deal, get over it, complaining about it is not going to bring those two picks back. The issue at hand is that people are complaining that our two WRs did not have Pro Bowl stats in their first year. Which is ridiculous to expect this, given that most players need time to develop. My whole point is, if you mention the words "let's build through the draft" don't turn around and rant that Kelly and Thomas need to be cut b/c they didn't produce their first year.

Great post. I agree completely.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

The FO is damned if they do or damned if they don't. As Matty said, everyone thinks they can run the team better. All FOs are going to make bad decisions, and all teams are not going to be able to address everything or have quality starters at every single position. Even the mighty NE Patriots just gave up a 4th rounder for a guy (Greg Lewis) that's at best the 3rd best wideout, had mediocre numbers last season, and is pushing 30 yrs. old.

And if I remember right, two years ago the Patriots' draft picks didn't do jack shit their first year in the pros. But they contributed in their second year

Now I think you're bringing up an issue (giving up picks for Taylor) that has nothing to do with what's being discussed. Yes, giving up a two draft picks (well I think of it as one pick, b/c the other pick is not that valuable) for Jason Taylor was a mistake, big deal, get over it, complaining about it is not going to bring those two picks back. The issue at hand is that people are complaining that our two WRs did not have Pro Bowl stats in their first year. Which is ridiculous to expect this, given that most players need time to develop. My whole point is, if you mention the words "let's build through the draft" don't turn around and rant that Kelly and Thomas need to be cut b/c they didn't produce their first year.

Great job.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

The FO is damned if they do or damned if they don't. As Matty said, everyone thinks they can run the team better. All FOs are going to make bad decisions, and all teams are not going to be able to address everything or have quality starters at every single position. Even the mighty NE Patriots just gave up a 4th rounder for a guy (Greg Lewis) that's at best the 3rd best wideout, had mediocre numbers last season, and is pushing 30 yrs. old.

Now I think you're bringing up an issue (giving up picks for Taylor) that has nothing to do with what's being discussed. Yes, giving up a two draft picks (well I think of it as one pick, b/c the other pick is not that valuable) for Jason Taylor was a mistake, big deal, get over it, complaining about it is not going to bring those two picks back. The issue at hand is that people are complaining that our two WRs did not have Pro Bowl stats in their first year. Which is ridiculous to expect this, given that most players need time to develop. My whole point is, if you mention the words "let's build through the draft" don't turn around and rant that Kelly and Thomas need to be cut b/c they didn't produce their first year.

I was strictly referring to the comment that the FO is Damned if they do or damned if they don't. To put it in the simplest terms, the FO did not address all of its needs last season in the draft. Then turned around and gave up picks for absolutely nothing in return. Now, with less picks we cannot fill the holes in the roster that were not addressed in the last draft. Right now our needs are more glaring and we did not pick up enough FA's to compensate for the draft picks that we are lacking either.

We all want to build through the draft, but at the same time we want to stay competitive within the division. As soon as it was apparent that we were not going to be doing much building due to lack of picks, then the focus should have shifted to FA acquisitions. The quality was there with Hall, Haynesworth, and Dockery. The quantity was not because we still have needs that have not and will not be addressed, even after the draft.

I am not even talking about the WR's needing to step up or flop or anything else. I was addressing the duality of fans. I just explained why sometimes they bitch about the FO not keeping draft picks; and why they bitch when they don't go hard in Free Agency. This year we had no picks, therefore we should have hit FA hard...3 players is not hard when you let more than that walk away and you had a full draft worth of needs before hand.

[Ldyskns fan 26]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

The FO is damned if they do or damned if they don't. As Matty said, everyone thinks they can run the team better. All FOs are going to make bad decisions, and all teams are not going to be able to address everything or have quality starters at every single position. Even the mighty NE Patriots just gave up a 4th rounder for a guy (Greg Lewis) that's at best the 3rd best wideout, had mediocre numbers last season, and is pushing 30 yrs. old.

Now I think you're bringing up an issue (giving up picks for Taylor) that has nothing to do with what's being discussed. Yes, giving up a two draft picks (well I think of it as one pick, b/c the other pick is not that valuable) for Jason Taylor was a mistake, big deal, get over it, complaining about it is not going to bring those two picks back. The issue at hand is that people are complaining that our two WRs did not have Pro Bowl stats in their first year. Which is ridiculous to expect this, given that most players need time to develop. My whole point is, if you mention the words "let's build through the draft" don't turn around and rant that Kelly and Thomas need to be cut b/c they didn't produce their first year.

I've wasted at least 15 minutes reading this thread up til this post and you are the voice of reason.The off season sucks!!!

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Angry

The reason is because we gave up draft picks for Jason Taylor. Now we have more needs than picks. To remain competative this year we had to make some moves in FA and I can understand why some fans are upset. It would seem as if we had not addressed enough needs yet through FA.

If the FO didn't want to be scrutinized then they should not have given away multiple draft picks for a player that they might only get 2 seasons out of (we got 1 BTW). They shouldn't have wasted a Draft pick on a punter when there were still quality LB's left in the draft. They should have picked up at least 1 DE instead of two WR's and a TE. Hell, I am sure that we could have squeezed in another Olineman too. We had 10 picks (at one point) last year and addressed 2 basic positions (Pass catcher and Safety). Sprinkle in a OG, QB, and P and walla...we didn't do squat. Then we give away 2 picks in the same year for a guy that lasts one. It crippled us. We needed a big FA period this season... and no they haven't done enough.

And you guys think that the FO is damned if they do, or damned if they don't? Get real, they keep putting the team in bad situations with bad decisions. The one time that they had a good situation, they screwed it up big time.

I hear what you're saying, but we only need to do a lot more if we're planning on winning it all this year. And yes, we'd all like that but to FRPLG's point maybe the fans should think more long term as opposed to the immediate here and now.

[Redskin Jim]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I hear what you're saying, but we only need to do a lot more if we're planning on winning it all this year. And yes, we'd all like that but to FRPLG's point maybe the fans should think more long term as opposed to the immediate here and now.

?????? Wll Sir, that is just NOT the American Way...

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

And then when we get involved in free agency, we don't get involved enough. We signed Haynesworth and Dockery? Well, what about Bodden, Canty, Brown, Willis, Bernard, Lechler, Asomugha, why didn't we get all those guys too????

But that's what fans are I guess....crazy, ridiculous, fanatics. The key is for the Front Office not to act like fans and we'll be fine

Everyone thinks they can run the team better than the people actually doing it. You can hear it all day on NFL radio, people calling up with the most absurd takes and trade scenarios. I honestly don't know how the hosts of those shows take some of those calls with a straight face.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Everyone thinks they can run the team better than the people actually doing it. You can hear it all day on NFL radio, people calling up with the most absurd takes and trade scenarios. I honestly don't know how the hosts of those shows take some of those calls with a straight face.

Who was it here yesterday that said the Redskins would be perennially in the playoffs if the front office just listened to the fans? That was funny. So let's see Colt starts at QB, Mix and McMullen at wideout, two backs with Mason and McCullough, we'll trade down then up back down again to get 8 picks from 3 different teams in the 2nd round, hire a "real GM" of course...

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Who was it here yesterday that said the Redskins would be perennially in the playoffs if the front office just listened to the fans? That was funny. So let's see Colt starts at QB, Mix and McMullen at wideout, two backs with Mason and McCullough, we'll trade down then up back down again to get 8 picks from 3 different teams in the 2nd round, hire a "real GM" of course...

And they would sign a whole bunch of offensive linemen under 25 yrs old JUST because they are under 25 years old. And don't forget the infamous "Jason Campbell for Chris Simms" trade.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Who was it here yesterday that said the Redskins would be perennially in the playoffs if the front office just listened to the fans? That was funny. So let's see Colt starts at QB, Mix and McMullen at wideout, two backs with Mason and McCullough, we'll trade down then up back down again to get 8 picks from 3 different teams in the 2nd round, hire a "real GM" of course...

Don't forget:

1) Give Jason Campbell a long term deal
2) Cut Jason Campbell
3) Fire Stan Hixon
4) Get Zorn more help in terms of assistant coaches

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Don't forget:

1) Give Jason Campbell a long term deal
2) Cut Jason Campbell
3) Fire Stan Hixon
4) Get Zorn more help in terms of assistant coaches

and you forgot that every wide out we have has to be at least 6'5

[70Chip]

What's the point of having a discussion forum if you can't criticize the team's decision makers from time to time? We all begin with the proposition that we WANT the Redskins to win. Otherwise we wouldn't be here. We'd be at the other one.