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[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

And plus you make reference to the right side of the line, but that's what I say is a weakness. I don't get what point you are making, Gtrip????

You say Rabach is the least of our worries, but that shows a misunderstanding of the real issue. He IS the worry. Jansen is clearly in decline, which you and I agree on, but it's normal, run-of-the-mill veteran decline. Like, he can still go out there and give us 16 games, but it's going to be a mediocre to below average 16. Randy Thomas is in the exact same boat, although at a position where he's less of a liability

Rabach is a vet who consistently makes rookie mistakes, getting Thomas and Jansen (and Kendall) in bad situations, and also can't handle his own assignments. If you fix that problem, it not only makes the right side look better, but turns the whole left back into a strength again.

Whether or not Alex Mack is the right guy for the job or even on the Skins' radar at all is debateable and I'm glad you took the alternate perspective to keep us Mack lovers from unbridled, wild man love and irrationality. But I maintain the Skins can't leave Rabach in there, and then act like they are serious about improving the OL. There's problems with age and decline, which need to be addressed, and then theres the fact that neither Rabach or Geisinger appers to be an NFL quality center, which is obviously a bigger issue.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Rabach is a vet who consistently makes rookie mistakes, getting Thomas and Jansen (and Kendall) in bad situations, and also can't handle his own assignments. If you fix that problem, it not only makes the right side look better, but turns the whole left back into a strength again.

My question is, how does the front office/coaching staff not see this? All I read is how Rabach is safe, and "entrenched" at the center position. Seems like not only don't the Redskins think he's an issue, they actually think he's really good. So I ask you, what's up with that??

For the record, I agree with your assessment of Rabach,I just want to know why no one on the Redskins views him as a liability.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

You say Rabach is the least of our worries, but that shows a misunderstanding of the real issue. He IS the worry. Jansen is clearly in decline, which you and I agree on, but it's normal, run-of-the-mill veteran decline. Like, he can still go out there and give us 16 games, but it's going to be a mediocre to below average 16. Randy Thomas is in the exact same boat, although at a position where he's less of a liability

Rabach is a vet who consistently makes rookie mistakes, getting Thomas and Jansen (and Kendall) in bad situations, and also can't handle his own assignments. If you fix that problem, it not only makes the right side look better, but turns the whole left back into a strength again.

Whether or not Alex Mack is the right guy for the job or even on the Skins' radar at all is debateable and I'm glad you took the alternate perspective to keep us Mack lovers from unbridled, wild man love and irrationality. But I maintain the Skins can't leave Rabach in there, and then act like they are serious about improving the OL. There's problems with age and decline, which need to be addressed, and then theres the fact that neither Rabach or Geisinger appers to be an NFL quality center, which is obviously a bigger issue.

Alright, at least there is a point to basically calling me a football idiot.

First of all, I say you deal with a problem position directly (in this case, RT) not by blaming the center for not helping. The right tackle spot was consistently an issue throughout the season for the redskins and that blame directly falls on both Heyer and Jansen.

Second of all, I am least worried about Rabach for the redskins as much as I am of all the other spots on the line, because of the play of the RT and because of injuries.

If you think that upgrading at Center, which I think Rabach is fine at - is the indirect solution to the problem on the right side of line - specifically at right tackle - then good luck with that logic.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

Alright, at least there is a point to basically calling me a football idiot.

First of all, I say you deal with a problem position directly (in this case, RT) not by blaming the center for not helping. The right tackle spot was consistently an issue throughout the season for the redskins and that blame directly falls on both Heyer and Jansen.

Second of all, I am least worried about Rabach for the redskins as much as I am of all the other spots on the line, because of the play of the RT and because of injuries.

If you think that upgrading at Center, which I think Rabach is fine at - is the indirect solution to the problem on the right side of line - specifically at right tackle - then good luck with that logic.

First misunderstanding: I never called you an idiot, nor implied that, nor would I have any reason to think that.

You were telling 53, in no uncertain terms, why he was wrong, using assumptions I knew to be wrong. Given that, I feel that letting you know you don't understand the situation was fitting. It is, in no way, an attack on your football IQ, and I'm glad we were able to keep it from devolving into a pissing match.

But, still, dealing with the problem directly means replacing the Center. There's another problem that is the right tackle, and another problem yet that is the right guard. A lesser problem is that the LT is now 31 and that's going to be an issue sometime in the near future. A final (least immediate) issue is that Dockery represents more of a transitional player from the old guard to the new guard than a long term solution.

The Center is the single biggest problem, and that, to me, is not all that debatable. I'm not suggesting something that isn't clearly and decisively evident on tape when I say Rabach absolutely cannot play. But, my big board also says that Mack is less of a solution than any of Oher, Monroe, or J. Smith. And that's because I view all those players as future LTs when Samuels moves on. That's the most critical position on the line.

The fact that I'd rather have Oher than Mack doesn't mean that I'm being inconsistent on Rabach, it just means that I see Oher as the start of the new guard, and a future LT. In the immediate, he would probably step in for Jansen at RT. That's a relatively small upgrade, especially if we still have communication issues, but he's eventually going to be the LT, so it's worth the price of the 13th pick.

If we thought Mack was the best available OL available, I don't think there's a defensible reason for passing on him. To me, taking best available OL is clearly a direct solution, but to each their own.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

First misunderstanding: I never called you an idiot, nor implied that, nor would I have any reason to think that.

You were telling 53, in no uncertain terms, why he was wrong, using assumptions I knew to be wrong. Given that, I feel that letting you know you don't understand the situation was fitting. It is, in no way, an attack on your football IQ, and I'm glad we were able to keep it from devolving into a pissing match.

But, still, dealing with the problem directly means replacing the Center. There's another problem that is the right tackle, and another problem yet that is the right guard. A lesser problem is that the LT is now 31 and that's going to be an issue sometime in the near future. A final (least immediate) issue is that Dockery represents more of a transitional player from the old guard to the new guard than a long term solution.

The Center is the single biggest problem, and that, to me, is not all that debatable. I'm not suggesting something that isn't clearly and decisively evident on tape when I say Rabach absolutely cannot play. But, my big board also says that Mack is less of a solution than any of Oher, Monroe, or J. Smith. And that's because I view all those players as future LTs when Samuels moves on. That's the most critical position on the line.

The fact that I'd rather have Oher than Mack doesn't mean that I'm being inconsistent on Rabach, it just means that I see Oher as the start of the new guard, and a future LT. In the immediate, he would probably step in for Jansen at RT. That's a relatively small upgrade, especially if we still have communication issues, but he's eventually going to be the LT, so it's worth the price of the 13th pick.

If we thought Mack was the best available OL available, I don't think there's a defensible reason for passing on him. To me, taking best available OL is clearly a direct solution, but to each their own.

I agree with you, if Rabach is a problem (from the surface, he looks fine), that he needs to be replaced. But I disagree with the assessment that the center spot is a bigger problem than right takle. I also don't think that any of the prospective centers would provide the type of help that would benefit the team and the offensive line as a whole. They would need to be super-intelligent from a football perspective and also have considerable experience to make quick and decisive adjustments. I don't think any centers fit this bill in the draft. It might be better to keep Rabach (since there might not be one good enough in the draft), just because of his experience in nfl situations, or pick one up in free agency.

I would take a different approach, best first-round grade offensive linemen in this priority/order: Tackle, Center (based on great decision-making skills), Guard. But only based on the fact that Rabach does not make good decisions.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

I would take a different approach, best first-round grade offensive linemen in this priority/order: Tackle, Center (based on great decision-making skills), Guard. But only based on the fact that Rabach does not make good decisions.

Accurately assessed.