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[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Here, I found a guy that's even better than Hall and Rogers combined by your criteria of pro-bowls plus interception totals! He's even a free agent right now! I'm thinking 5 years, maybe 40-50 million! What says you:

Deltha O'Neal Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com

The notion that Hall's skill is even comparable to Rogers is so unbelievably misinformed that I can't possibly understand why you'd even bring it up. What do you want me to say, "Yes Paintrain, we just found the best corner on our team in Week 10 last season sitting around with the unrestricted free agents. Every team that's ever given up on him has made a terrible, inexcusable mistake. He's just way better than anyone on our team right now, including Carlos Rogers, who is playing better than all but like 6 corners in the NFL right now. Sure, he signed here for less than a million dollars to play out the season, but I'm just so happy we're going to pay him like one of the league's best players now."

Root for him, but don't keep telling us he's better than Rogers. He's not. Plus, I'm pretty sure he already has an agent...

If Deltha O'Neal is so great, he'd still be playing for Darth Hoody, instead the team took a gamble on injury-prone Shawn Springs. So I don't think your argument holds anything here.

Now, I don't watch tape nor am I some sort of expert evaluator of NFL players. But here are Scouts Inc rankings on the CBs discussed on this thread:

Deltha O'Neal - 66
Carlos Rogers - 69
Deangelo Hall - 83

So according to them, Hall is the better CB, and well that's good enough for me. Honestly, complaining about his signing won't do anything.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

If Deltha O'Neal is so great, he'd still be playing for Darth Hoody, instead the team took a gamble on injury-prone Shawn Springs. So I don't think your argument holds anything here.

Now, I don't watch tape nor am I some sort of expert evaluator of NFL players. But here are Scouts Inc rankings on the CBs discussed on this thread:

Deltha O'Neal - 66
Carlos Rogers - 69
Deangelo Hall - 83

So according to them, Hall is the better CB, and well that's good enough for me. Honestly, complaining about his signing won't do anything.

Scouts Inc. has very little credibility in league circles, but if you buy that, I mean, that's what they are there for. They're just fans like the rest of us. They just get paid.

The point with O'Neal is that he's not great. He's just has ALL the same credentials Hall does. Even being cut by two different teams, though not quite as unceremoniously. The goal was to put into perspective how meaningless Pro Bowls and INTs are. That's not how we measure defensive players.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Scouts Inc. has very little credibility in league circles, but if you buy that, I mean, that's what they are there for. They're just fans like the rest of us. They just get paid.

I'm sure people will think I'm just jumping to Scouts Inc. defense here because of their association with ESPN...but what are you talking about? Scouts Inc. is largely comprised of people who spent years as scouts and team executives at the highest levels. Yes, they're fans but not just like the rest of us. Little credibility in league circles? Yet they're still being sought after and hired by NFL teams. So what league are you talking about?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'm sure people will think I'm just jumping to Scouts Inc. defense here because of their association with ESPN...but what are you talking about? Scouts Inc. is largely comprised of people who spent years as scouts and team executives at the highest levels. Yes, they're fans but not just like the rest of us. Little credibility in league circles? Yet they're still being sought after and hired by NFL teams. So what league are you talking about?

I'll defer to you on the actual demand for their services, but you read the bios and it will say something like "Jeremy Green was a scout for an NFL team for x years." To my knowledge, and I don't know the internal structure of Scouts Inc, so I won't speak on that, the ESPN.com/Scouts Inc. writers are people who are absolutely not wanted by any NFL team, regardless of their past experience.

Then you read the content, and it's just common knowledge, reputation, favor-driven bollocks.

It's not that ESPN.com doesn't have plenty of quality content, obviously they're the worldwide leader for a reason. I just prefer not to pay to read poorly informed opinions. I can read Clayton/Mortenson for free, so that's what I do.

The point is that the pipeline goes from the front office to scouts inc, not the other way around. That's why I can say they're outsiders, in the same way you and I am. The fact that they were once inside an organizational structure doesn't really have any value if they produce poor, and often times error-filled content.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I'll defer to you on the actual demand for their services, but you read the bios and it will say something like "Jeremy Green was a scout for an NFL team for x years." To my knowledge, and I don't know the internal structure of Scouts Inc, so I won't speak on that, the ESPN.com/Scouts Inc. writers are people who are absolutely not wanted by any NFL team, regardless of their past experience.

Not even remotely true that they are not wanted by any NFL team. Case in point, the Broncos just hired Keith Kidd to be their director of pro scouting.

Then you read the content, and it's just common knowledge, reputation, favor-driven bollocks.

It's not that ESPN.com doesn't have plenty of quality content, obviously they're the worldwide leader for a reason. I just prefer not to pay to read poorly informed opinions. I can read Clayton/Mortenson for free, so that's what I do.

I sense that the poorly informed for you means opinions you don't agree with. That's fine I guess. Your absolute confidence in yourself I'm sure will get you where you want to go.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Not even remotely true that they are not wanted by any NFL team. Case in point, the Broncos just hired Keith Kidd to be their director of pro scouting.

Duely noted. I was unaware of that.

I sense that the poorly informed for you means opinions you don't agree with. That's fine I guess. Your absolute confidence in yourself I'm sure will get you where you want to go.

Nope. I may be guilty of generalizing all people who write for scouts inc into one group, but ESPN charges for their content so they should be (in theory) held to a higher standard.

Whatever the standard was supposed to be, I feel pretty confident that they haven't upheld it.

It's not like I'm trying to be mean here, it's that oftentimes, they'll produce totally (seemingly) unedited stuff. There are free blogs all over the internet, hundreds upon hundreds of draft sites, some even with media credentials, that easily produce quality at an equal or greater level than ESPN makes you pay for.

I don't expect you to not defend them or something, but it seems to me (an outsider) that if you are going to charge for your content, there should be something special or desirable about it.