Per Vinny Cerrato, JC is our QB this season!

[GMScud]

Clipped from Redskins Insider:

The Jay Cutler Speculation: We continue to hear nothing tangible about this "trade" whatsoever. Vinny Cerrato has denied it up and down, not just to the media but to football people around the league. He's also denied it to agents for some Redskins players, according to league sources, some of whom could be potentially directly affected by the alleged swap(s). It's one thing to be less that truthful with the media and fans, and quite another to do so with people you hope to maintain an ongoing business relationship with.

Make no mistake, there was some chatter going around the league earlier this week, unsubstantiated talk and not backed up by fact (the kind of gossip that is a part of any business/corporation/league), that the Skins had a thing for the Denver QB. But it's quite another to report the inner workings of alleged three-way blockbuster deals as if they are potentially imminent. And, again, fitting a guy like Cutler under the cap, and absorbing massive cap hits from dealing guys like Chris Cooley, at a time when you only have the space to offer vet minimum deals for potential starters, is still something that seems impossible and render such deals as nonstarters.


It's just not gonna happen folks.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Clipped from Redskins Insider:

The Jay Cutler Speculation: We continue to hear nothing tangible about this "trade" whatsoever. Vinny Cerrato has denied it up and down, not just to the media but to football people around the league. He's also denied it to agents for some Redskins players, according to league sources, some of whom could be potentially directly affected by the alleged swap(s). It's one thing to be less that truthful with the media and fans, and quite another to do so with people you hope to maintain an ongoing business relationship with.

Make no mistake, there was some chatter going around the league earlier this week, unsubstantiated talk and not backed up by fact (the kind of gossip that is a part of any business/corporation/league), that the Skins had a thing for the Denver QB. But it's quite another to report the inner workings of alleged three-way blockbuster deals as if they are potentially imminent. And, again, fitting a guy like Cutler under the cap, and absorbing massive cap hits from dealing guys like Chris Cooley, at a time when you only have the space to offer vet minimum deals for potential starters, is still something that seems impossible and render such deals as nonstarters.


It's just not gonna happen folks.

Why are you quoting an article we discussed days ago as if its new? As i already pointed out, Gibbs, Snyder and Cerrato all denied we would draft Campbell and declared that Ramsey was our QB of the future. Then they drafted Campbell. Just last year, Cerrato categorically denied we would pursue Jason Taylor. Hours later, Taylor was a Redskin. And to top it off, recent history suggests JLC is wrong far more often than he is right. Redskins park deliberatly leaks false information to him all the time.... nothing in the blog you quoted changes anything. The skins are not more or less likely to pursue Cutler. I would be shocked if they, along with alteast a dozen other teams, arent trying to do something to get Cutler to be honest. You cant beleive anything the front office says anymore than you should beleive anything a politician says when trying to get elected.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Why are you quoting an article we discussed days ago as if its new? As i already pointed out, Gibbs, Snyder and Cerrato all denied we would draft Campbell and declared that Ramsey was our QB of the future. Then they drafted Campbell. Just last year, Cerrato categorically denied we would pursue Jason Taylor. Hours later, Taylor was a Redskin. And to top it off, recent history suggests JLC is wrong far more often than he is right. Redskins park deliberatly leaks false information to him all the time.... nothing in the blog you quoted changes anything. The skins are not more or less likely to pursue Cutler. I would be shocked if they, along with alteast a dozen other teams, arent trying to do something to get Cutler to be honest. You cant beleive anything the front office says anymore than you should beleive anything a politician says when trying to get elected.

I agree we shouldn't believe everything Vinny says, nor do I think JLC is anything close to a great source these days. But care to explain how we're going to afford the trade should it happen? Money-wise it really doesn't seem possible.

[GMScud]

We should re-name this thread "GTripp PWNEs BigHair"

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GMScud

We should re-name this thread "GTripp PWNEs BigHair"

Seriously, good night Irene

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Seriously, good night Irene

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[cwsimps]

I still can not for the life of me figure out why people are so down on JC. He is a very good QB with one of the best personalities in the NFL. Cutler on the other hand has exhibited tantrums both on and off the field. As a die hard skins fan, I will take an emotionally sound player over a crybaby any day. Let me ask you this. If Cutler is our QB, and we lose a game to the Boys next year because of a late interception, and Cutler does his normal throwing of his helmet and yelling at other players on the team, will you be happy he is around? The only person who could make that mistake is VC, and if you agree with the cutler JC trade, then I hope the three of you befriend JJ and move to Dallas.

JASON CAMPBELL IS OUR FUTURE. Now shut the F*&^ UP and move on to real problems. Like our OL.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by cwsimps

I still can not for the life of me figure out why people are so down on JC. He is a very good QB with one of the best personalities in the NFL. Cutler on the other hand has exhibited tantrums both on and off the field. As a die hard skins fan, I will take an emotionally sound player over a crybaby any day. Let me ask you this. If Cutler is our QB, and we lose a game to the Boys next year because of a late interception, and Cutler does his normal throwing of his helmet and yelling at other players on the team, will you be happy he is around? The only person who could make that mistake is VC, and if you agree with the cutler JC trade, then I hope the three of you befriend JJ and move to Dallas.

JASON CAMPBELL IS OUR FUTURE. Now shut the F*&^ UP and move on to real problems. Like our OL.

Apparently not, because for Skins fans character issues are only important if it refers to Albert Haynesworth and Deangelo Hall

Now to be serious, you make a good point and it would majorly suck to be a fan if this were to happen I would bet money that the same people that are calling for Campbell to leave, would be blasting the FO for trading for Cutler if your scenario were to come to fruition.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Apparently not, because for Skins fans character issues are only important if it refers to Albert Haynesworth and Deangelo Hall

Now to be serious, you make a good point and it would majorly suck to be a fan if this were to happen I would bet money that the same people that are calling for Campbell to leave, would be blasting the FO for trading for Cutler if your scenario were to come to fruition.

Since you brought up character, again, and this discussion seems to be the more active Cutler/Campbell thread, id like to respond to what you said in the other one...

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

It's also unreasonable to think that

a.) Campbell is the only problem the team has (which ppl arguing for Cutler make it look he is).

b.) Trading for Campbell and bringing Cutler is not going to affect the locker room.

c.) Cutler is going to make an immediate difference when he needs to learn the system, is not accustomed to our WRs, and needs to develop a rapport with Zorn (things that Campbell is expected to accomplish since...wait for it...he's in the SAME offense for the 2nd year in a row!).

a) Only a fool would think Campbell is the only problem with this team - i certainly havent been arguing that, but I do think Campbell is A problem and since QB is the most important position on a team, if we have the opportunity for to significantly upgrade the position, we should. If Campbells contract werent up after this season or he were a better fit for the system were in, the story would be different. However, the fact that Campbells contract IS up next year and he isnt where we need him to be, and we're faced with the possibility next year of losing him in free agency without compensation, it makes sense to atleast investigate the QB postion now.

b) That is actually a very good point. Campbell is well-liked and is exactly what you want your QB to be when it comes to attitude and leadership off the field. However, winning chanes everything and if we upgraded the QB position and won more games, the team would be fine with it. On the other hand, if Cutler came here and sucked it up or Campbell went elsewhere and tore it up... things would get real ugly.

c) Those are factors to consider, but you forget that Campbell has been in the same system 2 years in a row before - one that far better suited his skillset - one where he had a far better offensive line and - one that had a much better running game and better performance from Tana - and he still didnt "step up." If he didnt do it then, what makes you think he will do it now?

That last part is a key point for me. Why do so many people expect Campbell to be a much better QB and play much better in his 2nd year under Zorn?

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I agree we shouldn't believe everything Vinny says, nor do I think JLC is anything close to a great source these days. But care to explain how we're going to afford the trade should it happen? Money-wise it really doesn't seem possible.

Money in the Cutler-for-Campbell trade isnt an issue... Cutlers cap hit this year isnt that bad and cutting JC would save us 3M. The bigger issue is the ridculous rumors/speculation that players like Landry and Cooley would be involved in the trade... cutting or trading those guys is, as a practical matter, impossible. Honestly, i dont think the skins can possibly land Cutler, considering there are other teams who have more of a need at QB who also have more trade ammunition. So this is all really just a moot point, but its not like theres much else going on to talk about now... plus i like to take any chance i can get to point out that I dont beleive Campbell is ever going to be successful in this offensive system.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Money in the Cutler-for-Campbell trade isnt an issue... Cutlers cap hit this year isnt that bad and cutting JC would save us 3M. The bigger issue is the ridculous rumors/speculation that players like Landry and Cooley would be involved in the trade... cutting or trading those guys is, as a practical matter, impossible. Honestly, i dont think the skins can possibly land Cutler, considering there are other teams who have more of a need at QB who also have more trade ammunition. So this is all really just a moot point, but its not like theres much else going on to talk about now... plus i like to take any chance i can get to point out that I dont beleive Campbell is ever going to be successful in this offensive system.

Believe me we'll all take great joy in rubbing your nose in it when he proves you wrong.