Would you take Charley Casserly back as GM?

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Wasn't there a whole thread about a month ago about what if Haynesworth is another bust free agent move like Dana Stubblefield? Who was the GM that brought in Stubblefield?....

Kinda hard to see that coming. Casserly is a smart guy, but his better work is done what he's doing now though.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

Kinda hard to see that coming. Casserly is a smart guy, but his better work is done what he's doing now though.

Sure...but apparently everyone here saw Taylor's injury coming, or Patten blowing out his knee. Just saying, we talk about Stubblefield being a bust all the time here, but we never attach Casserly to it. Had Cerrato been the one to bring him, I don't know that we'd be as forgiving.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Sure...but apparently everyone here saw Taylor's injury coming, or Patten blowing out his knee. Just saying, we talk about Stubblefield being a bust all the time here, but we never attach Casserly to it. Had Cerrato been the one to bring him, I don't know that we'd be as forgiving.

Seeing the injury coming is unrealistic, but when you are trying to drill out compensation for a 1-2 year rental of a former Defensive POY, Cerrato has to be able to use the age and threat of injury to drive down the price of that compensation. Paying a third round pick for Taylor would have been significantly less offensive than a second, and while Parcells might have held out for a better offer, he would have absoultely taken a third than get nothing at all.

Vinny lost track of relative value where Casserly stayed aware (he had the presence to let Sean Gilbert walk under the franchise tag, and collect the picks), and simply missed on a player who he could sign without compensation. I'm not excusing trying to build a defensive line around Stubblefield and Big Daddy Wilkenson, but I'm saying his methodology for doing so was strong.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Seeing the injury coming is unrealistic, but when you are trying to drill out compensation for a 1-2 year rental of a former Defensive POY, Cerrato has to be able to use the age and threat of injury to drive down the price of that compensation. Paying a third round pick for Taylor would have been significantly less offensive than a second, and while Parcells might have held out for a better offer, he would have absoultely taken a third than get nothing at all.

Vinny lost track of relative value where Casserly stayed aware (he had the presence to let Sean Gilbert walk under the franchise tag, and collect the picks), and simply missed on a player who he could sign without compensation. I'm not excusing trying to build a defensive line around Stubblefield and Big Daddy Wilkenson, but I'm saying his methodology for doing so was strong.

Agreed in principle. One caveat...our team under Snyder, and this is my only major philosophical qualm with him in general, is that we overpay. We overpay financially far too often and we overpay with draft picks. Both with Cerrato calling the shots and not. It seems to be more of a fault of Snyder's than anything else. He sets the tone. Who is Cerrato, or Gibbs, or whoever to tell their owner/boss "Nah we won't pay that even though you are willing?"

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Agreed in principle. One caveat...our team under Snyder, and this is my only major philosophical qualm with him in general, is that we overpay. We overpay financially far too often and we overpay with draft picks. Both with Cerrato calling the shots and not. It seems to be more of a fault of Snyder's than anything else. He sets the tone. Who is Cerrato, or Gibbs, or whoever to tell their owner/boss "Nah we won't pay that even though you are willing?"

I agree. I don't think Snyder is even aware that he's creating an environment that makes it nearly impossible to call the shots with efficiency and effectivness, but it seems like that's the case.

[70Chip]

The Richard Justice article was interesting to me. I didn't realize that some people had that view of Casserly as covering his ass with the media. It's so easy for a GM to take credit for a player that succeeds and to blame the coaches for a bust (and vice versa I suppose). Who the hell knows the difference? I think that's why Gibbs was always at pains to say "It's all of us together, etc. etc.". And Gibbs was a guy who could have gotten any reporter in town, or nationally for that matter, to say whatever he wanted with a 5 minute phone call. He could have had Cerrato out on his ass in no time if he were so inclined.

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Agreed in principle. One caveat...our team under Snyder, and this is my only major philosophical qualm with him in general, is that we overpay. We overpay financially far too often and we overpay with draft picks. Both with Cerrato calling the shots and not. It seems to be more of a fault of Snyder's than anything else. He sets the tone. Who is Cerrato, or Gibbs, or whoever to tell their owner/boss "Nah we won't pay that even though you are willing?"

Why do you think that is? I get the feeling that Snyder feels as though "the art of the big feal" or however you want to think of it is his big contribution to the team. So, he'll pay whatever it takes to maintain this image he has as the top salesman of the year. No measly steak knives for him. He wins the Cadillac.

This ocurred to me when Zorn was talking about how exciting it was to see the whole process play out after Midnight on the first day of FA and the phone calls and jets flying around the country. He was clearly dazzled by Snyder's process. It just seems like the extra money is spent to make Dan Snyder feel like he's really helping. They can't offer fair money because then they might not land the FAs and if they don't close the deal, if he doesn't close the deal, he's nothing. That's the feeling that I get.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

Why do you think that is? I get the feeling that Snyder feels as though "the art of the big feal" or however you want to think of it is his big contribution to the team. So, he'll pay whatever it takes to maintain this image he has as the top salesman of the year. No measly steak knives for him. He wins the Cadillac.

This ocurred to me when Zorn was talking about how exciting it was to see the whole process play out after Midnight on the first day of FA and the phone calls and jets flying around the country. He was clearly dazzled by Snyder's process. It just seems like the extra money is spent to make Dan Snyder feel like he's really helping. They can't offer fair money because then they might not land the FAs and if they don't close the deal, if he doesn't close the deal, he's nothing. That's the feeling that I get.

I think it is partly that. I also think it is the nature of nouvea riche in our society. They really take to heart the notion that you have to spend money to make money. Since money making has been so easy in the 15 years they had to really manage and lead a lot less than before. I don't think Snyder really gets, at his core, how to be efficient with money.