Mark Sanchez at 13th?

[The Goat]

The million dollar question for me is when and why our FO utterly lost hope in JC? It defies logic. By the 2nd half of last season, when Jason's numbers plummeted, we easily had the worst offensive line in football. This unit was an embarrassment to football...defenders shot through the line within a split second of the snap, from center to right tackle there was practically zero run-blocking w/ Rabach getting manhandled, Thomas ailing and Heyer unable to find a defender to block. It was horrible. And the WR corp was among the worst 5 in football IMO. Just pitiful. So basically Jason's had little to nothing to work w/ and evidently from this Danny and Vinny can deduce his "real" potential. It's extremely suspicious in the first place our FO/coaches never acknowledged the dismal state of the offensive line. So again i'm starving for some inside information, even a hunch, about how and when the FO came to it's current mindset about our QB situation.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by The Goat

The million dollar question for me is when and why our FO utterly lost hope in JC? It defies logic. By the 2nd half of last season, when Jason's numbers plummeted, we easily had the worst offensive line in football. This unit was an embarrassment to football...defenders shot through the line within a split second of the snap, from center to right tackle there was practically zero run-blocking w/ Rabach getting manhandled, Thomas ailing and Heyer unable to find a defender to block. It was horrible. And the WR corp was among the worst 5 in football IMO. Just pitiful. So basically Jason's had little to nothing to work w/ and evidently from this Danny and Vinny can deduce his "real" potential. It's extremely suspicious in the first place our FO/coaches never acknowledged the dismal state of the offensive line. So again i'm starving for some inside information, even a hunch, about how and when the FO came to it's current mindset about our QB situation.

Goat, that is a fine question. To the extent that I have an answer, it is: the FO as a whole has not lost faith in JC. But the eternally impatient, scapegoat-seeking Danny has, at least somewhat. I don't know this, this is just an educated guess on my part.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Goat, that is a fine question. To the extent that I have an answer, it is: the FO as a whole has not lost faith in JC. But the eternally impatient, scapegoat-seeking Danny has, at least somewhat. I don't know this, this is just an educated guess on my part.

And if that's true then it is the ultimate indictment on Vinny. Vinny does not have the authority or resume to stand up to Snyder and make him listen like Gibbs did. Snyder needs to have a GM or team president with a proven track record that he will listen to and respect. Snyder would not be influencing the decision over the starting QB if Gibbs, Shanahan or Holmgren were running the show. We didn't hear any of this for 4 years under Gibbs now Gibbs is gone for a year and rumors of Snyders influence are starting to creep up again and it's obviously not good if true.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by celts32

And if that's true then it is the ultimate indictment on Vinny. Vinny does not have the authority or resume to stand up to Snyder and make him listen like Gibbs did. Snyder needs to have a GM or team president with a proven track record that he will listen to and respect. Snyder would not be influencing the decision over the starting QB if Gibbs, Shanahan or Holmgren were running the show. We didn't hear any of this for 4 years under Gibbs now Gibbs is gone for a year and rumors of Snyders influence are starting to creep up again and it's obviously not good if true.

From my outside point of view, I agree. I see Vinny as at least somewhat of a yes-man who will say "sure boss" to just about anything if he thinks that such agreement will keep him employed. And yes, if I am right, this is a bad thing.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by The Goat

The million dollar question for me is when and why our FO utterly lost hope in JC? It defies logic. By the 2nd half of last season, when Jason's numbers plummeted, we easily had the worst offensive line in football. This unit was an embarrassment to football...defenders shot through the line within a split second of the snap, from center to right tackle there was practically zero run-blocking w/ Rabach getting manhandled, Thomas ailing and Heyer unable to find a defender to block. It was horrible. And the WR corp was among the worst 5 in football IMO. Just pitiful. So basically Jason's had little to nothing to work w/ and evidently from this Danny and Vinny can deduce his "real" potential. It's extremely suspicious in the first place our FO/coaches never acknowledged the dismal state of the offensive line. So again i'm starving for some inside information, even a hunch, about how and when the FO came to it's current mindset about our QB situation.

I'm just gonna repost this till I get a satisfactory answer...

[celts32]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I'm just gonna repost this till I get a satisfactory answer...

Perhaps they reviewed the coaches tapes and determined that there were to many instances where Jason did have time or receivers were open and he still did not get the ball to the right read. I don't know...I am just giving you a possible answer. We don't have the coaches tape to answer these questions for sure. And maybe it's possible that when Zorn is behind closed doors with Vinny and Danny he is not painting as bright a picture of Jasons development as he does out in the open.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I'm just gonna repost this till I get a satisfactory answer...

I think your questions have been answered in various forms in many of our QB related threads lately.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by The Goat

The million dollar question for me is when and why our FO utterly lost hope in JC? It defies logic. By the 2nd half of last season, when Jason's numbers plummeted, we easily had the worst offensive line in football. This unit was an embarrassment to football...defenders shot through the line within a split second of the snap, from center to right tackle there was practically zero run-blocking w/ Rabach getting manhandled, Thomas ailing and Heyer unable to find a defender to block. It was horrible. And the WR corp was among the worst 5 in football IMO. Just pitiful. So basically Jason's had little to nothing to work w/ and evidently from this Danny and Vinny can deduce his "real" potential. It's extremely suspicious in the first place our FO/coaches never acknowledged the dismal state of the offensive line. So again i'm starving for some inside information, even a hunch, about how and when the FO came to it's current mindset about our QB situation.

Well it's not anything unique to Snyder's M.O. that we'd allegedly gotten away from. He's flash over function, style over substance. Not to say that Sanchez is not functional nor having substance, but regardless of the side of the fence we sit on in the Campbell debate, we can all agree he's not a 'sexy' QB. He doesn't have the personality or 'Madison Avenue' presence that Snyder seems to crave and covet. If Snyder can get a player of comparable or better skills and abilities that's a bigger name, he's going to pounce. I really think he'd love to have a top 3 pick so he could make a splash with a 'franchise' QB, regardless of if he panned out or not just so he could stand next to him at the press conference and say 'I did this'.

I don't think it's purely football reasons that Snyder is ready to move on from Campbell, otherwise we would have been more actively pursuing all QB options this offseason rather than just getting in on Cutler and now seemingly infatuated with Sanchez.

His lack of football knowledge manifests in not realizing that whomever is at QB will face the same issues and challenges at the QB position if the OL isn't addressed.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Well it's not anything unique to Snyder's M.O. that we'd allegedly gotten away from. He's flash over function, style over substance. Not to say that Sanchez is not functional nor having substance, but regardless of the side of the fence we sit on in the Campbell debate, we can all agree he's not a 'sexy' QB. He doesn't have the personality or 'Madison Avenue' presence that Snyder seems to crave and covet. If Snyder can get a player of comparable or better skills and abilities that's a bigger name, he's going to pounce. I really think he'd love to have a top 3 pick so he could make a splash with a 'franchise' QB, regardless of if he panned out or not just so he could stand next to him at the press conference and say 'I did this'.

I don't think it's purely football reasons that Snyder is ready to move on from Campbell, otherwise we would have been more actively pursuing all QB options this offseason rather than just getting in on Cutler and now seemingly infatuated with Sanchez.

His lack of football knowledge manifests in not realizing that whomever is at QB will face the same issues and challenges at the QB position if the OL isn't addressed.

Two statements from this post:

1. Snyder seems to want the Clinton Portis version of a QB -- as you said, everything that Jason Campbell isn't.

2. Could it be that Snyder and Cerrato in their hearts don't think the OL is as bad as we do?

[SmootSmack]

Ladell Betts is going to be 30 this season, Mike Sellers 34, Rock 30 by the end of the season. At some point they're going to need to address depth at the running back position

[celts32]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Ladell Betts is going to be 30 this season, Mike Sellers 34, Rock 30 by the end of the season. At some point they're going to need to address depth at the running back position

Wow...in retrospect Ladell really wasted the best years of his career by resigning here. I wonder if he would do that over again. There were rumors that some teams would have signed him as a starter if he hit free agency.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Ladell Betts is going to be 30 this season, Mike Sellers 34, Rock 30 by the end of the season. At some point they're going to need to address depth at the running back position

I agree. Although it's not going to happen and I'm not advocating it, I really like Knowshon Moreno. That guy is going to be good i believe. I still think you can get cheaper guys that perform similar to LB.

I get this feeling that we need to start thinking a little bit in the future for our RB position.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by redsk1

I agree. Although it's not going to happen and I'm not advocating it, I really like Knowshon Moreno. That guy is going to be good i believe. I still think you can get cheaper guys that perform similar to LB.

I get this feeling that we need to start thinking a little bit in the future for our RB position.

I think our offense desperately needs another RB. I would like to have Johnson from Oregon. Betts is good but the problem is that he presents nothing more then a not as talented version of Portis when he enters the game. When we are spelling Portis we should be putting someone with breakaway speed into the game that will put the defense on it's heels. Basically Betts is a very good backup to portis but he does not offer a change of pace that our offense needs. We have no game breakers other then Moss and when you only have one it's not that hard for a good defense to take it away.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

My Prediction:

-The Browns trade Edwards to the Giants for a 1st and 3rd round pick.
-The Redskins trade Santana Moss, our 1st round pick, and our third round pick to the Browns for the #5 overall selection.
-The Redskins trade our 2010 first round pick for a 2009 2nd round pick.
-The Redskins trade Jason Campbell to the Jets for their 3rd and 4th Round picks (they don't have a natural 4th rounder - its ours for Kendall, so we're really taking this one back).

The Redskins Select:

1. QB Mark Sanchez, USC
2. OT/OG Duke Robinson, Oklahoma OR G/C Max Unger, Oregon
3. DE Paul Krueger, Oregon
4. CB Greg Toler, St Pauls
5. RB Antoine Smith, Florida State (serious home run threat)
6. LB/WR
7. LB/WR

Ok, i think i had way too much coffee this morning, lol. Seriously, that was all wild speculation and I don't see any of it really happening - except trading with the Browns for Sanchez. I wholeheartedly believe the Skins are zeroing in on Sanchez and will do whatever they can to acquire him - whether they succeed or not remains to be seen.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

My Prediction:

-The Browns trade Edwards to the Giants for a 1st and 3rd round pick.
-The Redskins trade Santana Moss, our 1st round pick, and our third round pick to the Browns for the #5 overall selection.
-The Redskins trade our 2010 first round pick for a 2009 2nd round pick.
-The Redskins trade Jason Campbell to the Jets for their 3rd and 4th Round picks (they don't have a natural 4th rounder - its ours for Kendall, so we're really taking this one back).

The Redskins Select:

1. QB Mark Sanchez, USC
2. OT/OG Duke Robinson, Oklahoma OR G/C Max Unger, Oregon
3. DE Paul Krueger, Oregon
4. CB Greg Toler, St Pauls
5. RB Antoine Smith, Florida State (serious home run threat)
6. LB/WR
7. LB/WR

Ok, i think i had way too much coffee this morning, lol. Seriously, that was all wild speculation and I don't see any of it really happening - except trading with the Browns for Sanchez. I wholeheartedly believe the Skins are zeroing in on Sanchez and will do whatever they can to acquire him - whether they succeed or not remains to be seen.

I know you were just having fun with this but the thought of trading next years #1 for a #2 this years sickens me. Out of everything you said that was the one I found most objectionable.