Mark Sanchez at 13th?

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Agreed. We can't and shouldn't try to fill all our needs now. And of course, you go with the best player available in the first round...but the BPA at a position of need. And at some point we need to start addressing the lack of youth on the OL, DEs, even LB and RB.

Agreed. And I think that point should be NOW.

[BrunellMVP?]

If we can all agree that we don't want Sanchez- and that QB is not a position of need, we have nothing to worry about as there is 0 chance (so i've been told- thanks Masshole) that he will fall to 13. The only we have to worry about is doing something stupid, like trading up for him.

[GTripp0012]

Oh and by the way, if the front office didn't think they could win with Jason Campbell, they wouldn't have gone after Albert Haynesworth. It's clear as day that their opinion of him has taken a hit over the course of the offseason while no football has been played. That's the number one piece of evidence that they don't seem to really have a clear direction -- non-events have altered that direction.

[53Fan]

I actually heard Portis say something smart on ESPN and it got me thinking. When he was asked whether he thought Campbell could be a franchise QB he said yes. He basically said he had the size and talent. He also said if you take away Santana Moss you'd probably have a hard time naming the Skins receivers over the past 5 years. He's right. All of Campbells stats and QB ratings have improved every year he has played. And he has done this with S**T for wide receivers, with the exception of Moss, a constantly changing offensive system, and an aging o-line that cannot stay healthy. The more I think about it, the more I think it would be a big mistake to give up on Jason Campbell right now.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I actually heard Portis say something smart on ESPN and it got me thinking. When he was asked whether he thought Campbell could be a franchise QB he said yes. He basically said he had the size and talent. He also said if you take away Santana Moss you'd probably have a hard time naming the Skins receivers over the past 5 years. He's right. All of Campbells stats and QB ratings have improved every year he has played. And he has done this with S**T for wide receivers, with the exception of Moss, a constantly changing offensive system, and an aging o-line that cannot stay healthy. The more I think about it, the more I think it would be a big mistake to give up on Jason Campbell right now.

Ouch. I wonder how Antwaan Randle El would react to those comments?

For some reason I don't put much stock into Clinton Portis as a talent evaluator.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I actually heard Portis say something smart on ESPN and it got me thinking. When he was asked whether he thought Campbell could be a franchise QB he said yes. He basically said he had the size and talent. He also said if you take away Santana Moss you'd probably have a hard time naming the Skins receivers over the past 5 years. He's right. All of Campbells stats and QB ratings have improved every year he has played. And he has done this with S**T for wide receivers, with the exception of Moss, a constantly changing offensive system, and an aging o-line that cannot stay healthy. The more I think about it, the more I think it would be a big mistake to give up on Jason Campbell right now.

I think that Portis and 53Fan are right on. Randle El is not a true #2. Thrash, a great special teamer, contributes very little to the passing game. Other wideouts in the last couple of years have been quite forgettable.

Between 2007 and 2008 JC changed from a turnover machine into a turnover-stingy QB. That already leaves us better off than quite a few qb's would.

The next step for him is to get the ball down field more so that his yards per attempt is above 7.0. This is his logical next progression as a QB and my guess is that he is working on this as we speak. He'll need help in this, as he'll need better protection than he has gotten and he'll need Thomas and Kelly to step up their games.

However, if he does emerge this year as a turnover-stingy QB with a YPA over 7.0, that's a true NFL QB. That's a keeper.

[53Fan]

I usually don't put much stock in anything Portis says but in this case he's right. Nothing against ARE but he belongs in the slot where he would flourish. A second receiver he's not. You have to admit though, Portis was right on Sean Taylor.

[Ruhskins]

I don't understand why people are so hell bent on getting a QB that's going to throw for 400 yds every game. Honestly, with the defense we had last year, we just needed an offense that can keep us one step ahead and allow us to control the clock when we have the lead. If you look at the elite defenses of last year (Titans, Ravens), their QBs were not setting passing records or anything like that. The easiest thing to do for our team is to get the o-line to protect Campbell and use the offense as a compliment to the defense.

If the team (or should I say, Snyder) wants to have an offense that racks up the yards and is an offense juggernaut, then the defense must be sacrificed. If you look at teams like Indy, Arizona, and New Orleans, who had passing offenses with huge numbers, well those teams usually don't have good defense. Not everyone can be like the New England Patriots (potent offense, with a top notch defense of old guys that won't get hurt) and I don't understand why Snyder (or anyone here) is hell bent on getting a Jay Cutler or another QB that's going to rack up the yards (at the expense of other areas which have typically have been the strength of our team....defense and running game).

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I don't understand why people are so hell bent on getting a QB that's going to throw for 400 yds every game. Honestly, with the defense we had last year, we just needed an offense that can keep us one step ahead and allow us to control the clock when we have the lead. If you look at the elite defenses of last year (Titans, Ravens), their QBs were not setting passing records or anything like that. The easiest thing to do for our team is to get the o-line to protect Campbell and use the offense as a compliment to the defense.

If the team (or should I say, Snyder) wants to have an offense that racks up the yards and is an offense juggernaut, then the defense must be sacrificed. If you look at teams like Indy, Arizona, and New Orleans, who had passing offenses with huge numbers, well those teams usually don't have good defense. Not everyone can be like the New England Patriots (potent offense, with a top notch defense of old guys that won't get hurt) and I don't understand why Snyder (or anyone here) is hell bent on getting a Jay Cutler or another QB that's going to rack up the yards (at the expense of other areas which have typically have been the strength of our team....defense and running game).

I'll be the first one to say I'd love for us to be the '99 Rams re-created and sling the ball down the field all day long but that's not who we are. I love offensive football as does Snyder. Give me the early 80's Chargers over teams like the '85 Bears any day, to watch but not to support. I'd love to put an aerial assault to match our defense but it's not who we are, yet.

Now, you make a good point. Teams that are offensive juggernauts are rarely elite defensively as well. That's where our two sides of the house don't meet. We've done a great job in drafting and developing defensive players pretty consistently since the Norv days but we've always whiffed, most of the time badly, in doing that on offense. Snyder is desperate to turn that around. Like Gibbs was satisfied winning 17-14, I think Snyder would be just as satisfied losing 45-43, as long as it was exciting. I'm really amazed he didn't go after Mike Martz when he hired Zorn just for that reason.

I truly think that while Campbell is never going to be a 35 TD, 4500 yard guy he can develop THIS YEAR into a 22 TD, 3800 yard QB that can lead us to a playoff year. He's improved year to year and good organizations allow that progression to continue rather than stunt it at every opportunity.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I'll be the first one to say I'd love for us to be the '99 Rams re-created and sling the ball down the field all day long but that's not who we are. I love offensive football as does Snyder. Give me the early 80's Chargers over teams like the '85 Bears any day, to watch but not to support. I'd love to put an aerial assault to match our defense but it's not who we are, yet.

Now, you make a good point. Teams that are offensive juggernauts are rarely elite defensively as well. That's where our two sides of the house don't meet. We've done a great job in drafting and developing defensive players pretty consistently since the Norv days but we've always whiffed, most of the time badly, in doing that on offense. Snyder is desperate to turn that around. Like Gibbs was satisfied winning 17-14, I think Snyder would be just as satisfied losing 45-43, as long as it was exciting. I'm really amazed he didn't go after Mike Martz when he hired Zorn just for that reason.

I truly think that while Campbell is never going to be a 35 TD, 4500 yard guy he can develop THIS YEAR into a 22 TD, 3800 yard QB that can lead us to a playoff year. He's improved year to year and good organizations allow that progression to continue rather than stunt it at every opportunity.

I know what I will say is beside your main point but this is primarily a Sanchez thread and I want to return to that, using your words.

It should be indicated that one of the knocks against Sanchez is that his accuracy significantly diminishes over 20 yards. He struggles with deep throws. So if what we want is the Greatest Show on Turf, Sanchez is not the guy we want.

[SmootSmack]

My apologies guys. My report about Zorn pushing hard for Sanchez turns out to be really misleading. Yes, he's at the forefront of all the meetings with Sanchez but he's not pushing hard for him, not exactly.

I heard the report wrong. Zorn was asked "If not Campbell, then who would you want as your QB?" and that's where is strong interest in Sanchez comes in. Without that first part of the quote it's completely different. Sorry guys, bad reporting on my part there.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

My apologies guys. My report about Zorn pushing hard for Sanchez turns out to be really misleading. Yes, he's at the forefront of all the meetings with Sanchez but he's not pushing hard for him, not exactly.

I heard the report wrong. Zorn was asked "If not Campbell, then who would you want as your QB?" and that's where is strong interest in Sanchez comes in. Without that first part of the quote it's completely different. Sorry guys, bad reporting on my part there.

Whew! Thanks for the update SS.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

My apologies guys. My report about Zorn pushing hard for Sanchez turns out to be really misleading. Yes, he's at the forefront of all the meetings with Sanchez but he's not pushing hard for him, not exactly.

I heard the report wrong. Zorn was asked "If not Campbell, then who would you want as your QB?" and that's where is strong interest in Sanchez comes in. Without that first part of the quote it's completely different. Sorry guys, bad reporting on my part there.

How Florio-esque of you. LOL.

It's all good man.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

My apologies guys. My report about Zorn pushing hard for Sanchez turns out to be really misleading. Yes, he's at the forefront of all the meetings with Sanchez but he's not pushing hard for him, not exactly.

I heard the report wrong. Zorn was asked "If not Campbell, then who would you want as your QB?" and that's where is strong interest in Sanchez comes in. Without that first part of the quote it's completely different. Sorry guys, bad reporting on my part there.

Exactly why I want TAFKAS back! Nah man no harm no foul

[Masshole]

(Suggested Thread Title) Will the Real Jason Campbell Fans Please Stand Up


So I don't have ten replies and can't start a thread, but is there any way the people who really believe in Jason Campbell as the future of the franchise can get together and somehow protest a potential Sanchez trade/show JC our support? I'm not really good with website design but would be happy to produce content. The way the front office is handling this situation is absurd, and before we piss away two more draft picks, perhaps we can rally broad fan opposition to this as well as show Jason Campbell that Snyder may not believe in him, but we do. Seems like a winner on both fronts.