Broncos to trade Cutler

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

You know I am not a basher and this whole thing is killing me.

First, it throws us into turmoil and change AGAIN. We simply cannot make drastic course changes every two years. THere has to be some sense of direction, some confidence that the sacrifices of today are meant to strengthen the org in the long haul. SOmething that says we aren't just trying to win one more game next year...we're trying to build a lasting strong organization. Trading away assets for what really seems like only a marginal upgrade isn't that. Especially when we have clear and admnitted deficiencies that those assets could help address.

Second, we are going to overpay. This deal is done. My opinion of course but let's be honest. When was the last time that a situation presented itself and Dan Snyder decided he wanted to do it and DIDN'T get it done? The fact that we have reached the point where it is common knowledge that we are trying to pull this means to me that DS has reached that point. He'll make it happen and it is gonna hurt us long run. It is. I like Cutler as a player. I think talent wise he is an upgrade. NOt a huge upgrade though. Leadership wise he seems to me to be clearly lacking. Denver has screwed the pooch on this but Cutler held the dog down as they did it. Straight up I can't argue with the move but this isn't going to happen straight up.

I agree with your post but there have been situations where the team didn't get a player they wanted to trade for:

- Lance Briggs
- Dre Bly
- Chad Johnson
- Anquan Boldin

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I agree with your post but there have been situations where the team didn't get a player they wanted to trade for:

- Lance Briggs
- Dre Bly
- Chad Johnson
- Anquan Boldin

I think Danny-boy's level of enrapturment with Cutler is 1000 times the level of enrapturement he had with all of these players combined. The 'Skins will be the Vikings of this new Herschel Walker trade.

[70Chip]

Did anyone else see this from Glazer:

"Any team that trades for Cutler also may have to deal with demands from (Cutler agent Bus) Cook for a new contract. Cutler has three years remaining on a six-year rookie deal that could yield as much as $48 million."

That doesn't sound realistic does it? He's still got three years and wants a new one after one pro bowl season in which his team flopped at the end? If anything THE TEAM should be wanting a new deal that's less expensive.

This is all a big mistake.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I agree with your post but there have been situations where the team didn't get a player they wanted to trade for:

- Lance Briggs
- Dre Bly
- Chad Johnson
- Anquan Boldin

We never got to the point where they Skins were confirming interest and huddling in SNyder's office for days. He liked Briggs but there wasn't anything to be done...plus Gibbs still had the reigns. The other three were only rumored and no deals were even speculated.

[Skins_4_Lyfe]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I agree with your post but there have been situations where the team didn't get a player they wanted to trade for:

- Lance Briggs
- Dre Bly
- Chad Johnson
- Anquan Boldin

Add Reggie Wayne to that list...Polian even wen't public stating that he would not become a Redskin

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I agree with your post but there have been situations where the team didn't get a player they wanted to trade for:

- Lance Briggs
- Dre Bly
- Chad Johnson
- Anquan Boldin

The difference is this time around our potential trade partner is hell bent on trading the player in question. At least 3 of these guys went back to business as usual after there flirtation with our front office.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

The difference is this time around our potential trade partner is hell bent on trading the player in question. At least 3 of these guys went back to business as usual after there flirtation with our front office.

True, but I don't think we're the best choice for Denver. And the argument is that when Danny wants something, he'll get it. Honestly, we got lucky that that the Bengals FO was just as incompetent with Chad Johnson.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I agree with your post but there have been situations where the team didn't get a player they wanted to trade for:

- Lance Briggs
- Dre Bly
- Chad Johnson
- Anquan Boldin

CJ doesn't count because the Bengals saved us from ourselves by not accepting any possible trades.

Anquan also wasn't on the trading block.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What's upsetting people the most about this alleged deal? Is it losing draft picks potentially? Is it just the idea of change again?

It's the fact that everything that can be said about Cutler can be said about Campbell, from a football perspective. Skinsfan69 points out that Cutler is better. I don't disagree. But the allure, the reason to go get Cutler, to pay the premium it costs to get him...that's stuff we already have in Campbell. Going to get Cutler is the very definition of spinning our wheels in place.

The question becomes: how much is it worth to go out and get a QB that is not Jason Campbell, but doesn't change the type of situation that we have at the QB position? It sounds like a stupid question, and to an extent, it is. Cutler brings a totally different dynamic to the offense, but at the end of the day, will likely not be much more successful than Campbell will.

Problem is, the answer to the question appears to be a sizable amount. But only because the Redskins don't appear to be approaching this from an angle that makes any sense. They want to know how much it will cost them to get Cutler. The proper answer, speaking purely football, is "who cares?" We shouldn't even be discussing someone elses problem. But we're very serious about doing what it takes to get him here.

So we get Cutler. Super Bowl? Hardly. Franchise QB? Yes, but, at what cost?

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

It's the fact that everything that can be said about Cutler can be said about Campbell, from a football perspective. Skinsfan69 points out that Cutler is better. I don't disagree. But the allure, the reason to go get Cutler, to pay the premium it costs to get him...that's stuff we already have in Campbell. Going to get Cutler is the very definition of spinning our wheels in place.

The question becomes: how much is it worth to go out and get a QB that is not Jason Campbell, but doesn't change the type of situation that we have at the QB position? It sounds like a stupid question, and to an extent, it is. Cutler brings a totally different dynamic to the offense, but at the end of the day, will likely not be much more successful than Campbell will.

Problem is, the answer to the question appears to be a sizable amount. But only because the Redskins don't appear to be approaching this from an angle that makes any sense. They want to know how much it will cost them to get Cutler. The proper answer, speaking purely football, is "who cares?" We shouldn't even be discussing someone elses problem. But we're very serious about doing what it takes to get him here.

So we get Cutler. Super Bowl? Hardly. Franchise QB? Yes, but, at what cost?

Great post.

How much does the Skins organization have to give away to give Danny "warm fuzzys"

Campbell is just as likely to get us to the playoffs the next 3 years as Cutler....especially if we have a new Stud Olineman from the draft..
This whole trade for Cutler idea is idiotic.
Campbell has outstanding character...which is why we gave Denver a draft pick to get him in the first round.

Danny is an idiot...unless he gets him straight up...which aint gunna happen

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What's upsetting people the most about this alleged deal? Is it losing draft picks potentially? Is it just the idea of change again?

What's pissing me off the most is I know for a fact that we're going to overpay for Cutler. History shows that we're not capable of getting the better end of any trade....so I assume it's going to be our #1 pick plus a player. IMO it's not worth it.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

What's pissing me off the most is I know for a fact that we're going to overpay for Cutler. History shows that we're not capable of getting the better end of any trade....so I assume it's going to be our #1 pick plus a player. IMO it's not worth it.

What, to you, is Cutler's worth?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What, to you, is Cutler's worth?

He's worth either a high first rounder and a starting player or two first rounders. That's probably his value cause of his huge upside. But we're not in a position to make that kind of deal. We've already got a QB who has the ability to take his game to the next level and we've already made a huge investment in him. On top of that Colt looks pretty promising. Why can't those two dumb asses see that and build on what we've got? I swear they always have a hard on for other teams players.

[BG9721]

Lets Take Cutler, I love Campbell (great guy) but hes not a franchise QB. Hes a solid good quarterback that i hope has a great career. But his contract is ending and id much rather go with a kid who has some growing up to do but can carry this team for years to come. If we have the right veteran leadership and core guys (which i think we do)they can groom cutler into the elway we didnt get

[halodoc]

Anyone think the Skins want cutler because they plan on going after Mike Shanahan next year ?