Broncos to trade Cutler

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I guess I'm just not sold on Cutler being the answer when asking the question is he a true franchise QB. I'm not sure if JC is the answer either, but at least we can find out without having to give up more picks than we already gave up when we drafted him.

The problem is that the 25yr old pro Bowl QB is available now not next year. If JC doesn't improve enough for the redskins to resign him then we will be trying to find a replacement next year from far less appealing options. I am tired of being unstable at the QB position. I like JC a lot and I really wanted him to be the guy especialy since Joe Gibbs picked him, but it's just obvious the Redskins do not see him as that guy. So whether or not we get Cutler it's so obvious that unless JC throws 35 TD's next year he is not getting resigned.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by celts32

The problem is that the 25yr old pro Bowl QB is available now not next year. If JC doesn't improve enough for the redskins to resign him then we will be trying to find a replacement next year from far less appealing options. I am tired of being unstable at the QB position. I like JC a lot and I really wanted him to be the guy especialy since Joe Gibbs picked him, but it's just obvious the Redskins do not see him as that guy. So whether or not we get Cutler it's so obvious that unless JC throws 35 TD's next year he is not getting resigned.

There will be other guys available next year.

Funny you say you are tired of being unstable at QB yet you want another QB change. Just sayin'.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

There will be other guys available next year.

Theres always "guys" available, but guys like Cutler - almost never. what "franchise QBs" will be available in 2010? I cant think of any single one. Again, i'm not sold on Cutler because of the diabetes/alcohol thing. I'm just asking, who do you think is going to be available of Cutlers "caliber?"

[MTK]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Theres always "guys" available, but guys like Cutler - almost never. what "franchise QBs" will be available in 2010? I cant think of any single one. Again, i'm not sold on Cutler because of the diabetes/alcohol thing. I'm just asking, who do you think is going to be available of Cutlers "caliber?"

Never? I'm not even sold on him being a true franchise QB yet. Let's not pencil him into the Hall already.

As far as who could be available who knows? Did anyone see Cutler becoming available?

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Never? I'm not even sold on him being a true franchise QB yet. Let's not pencil him into the Hall already.

As far as who could be available who knows? Did anyone see Cutler becoming available?

Seriously, he's 17-20 as a starter and he throws a ton of picks...what Franchise QB would that be?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by jdlea

Seriously, he's 17-20 as a starter and he throws a ton of picks...what Franchise QB would that be?

Peyton Manning?

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Peyton Manning?

What's funny is I knew that was coming and I do that to people all the time, but I would say that Peyton probably has the best work ethic in the league. Jay, so far has not showed me that he works hard to be great, but he thinks he is. I dislike him more for his attitude than his play. That and I don't think it's worth giving up what's being rumored for a small upgrade at QB.

All that aside, well played, sir.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Theres always "guys" available, but guys like Cutler - almost never. what "franchise QBs" will be available in 2010? I cant think of any single one. Again, i'm not sold on Cutler because of the diabetes/alcohol thing. I'm just asking, who do you think is going to be available of Cutlers "caliber?"

The alcohol thing is a sports tabloid-generated thing and he's kept his diabetes under control....they're non-issues.

However, his crybaby attitude and selfishness are major obstacles to overcome and I do not want a whiny non-team player like him on the Redskins.

If he was a "franchise" QB, the Broncos would not have been tempted to trade him for a QB who had one partial season with a Super Bowl team who failed to even make the playoffs under his leadership and who had not previously started a game since HIGH SCHOOL.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Buster

The alcohol thing is a sports tabloid-generated thing and he's kept his diabetes under control....they're non-issues.

However, his crybaby attitude and selfishness are major obstacles to overcome and I do not want a whiny non-team player like him on the Redskins.

If he was a "franchise" QB, the Broncos would not have been tempted to trade him for a QB who had one partial season with a Super Bowl team who failed to even make the playoffs under his leadership and who had not previously started a game since HIGH SCHOOL.

that had nothing to do with a new coach who groomed a guy that came in and had a convincing showing or anything

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

There will be other guys available next year.

Funny you say you are tired of being unstable at QB yet you want another QB change. Just sayin'.

Haha..nice one. I think this saga pretty much proves that a change is coming in the next 12 months regardless. I just think if it's Cutler then it could be the last change for a long while.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by celts32

The problem is that the 25yr old pro Bowl QB is available now not next year. If JC doesn't improve enough for the redskins to resign him then we will be trying to find a replacement next year from far less appealing options. I am tired of being unstable at the QB position. I like JC a lot and I really wanted him to be the guy especialy since Joe Gibbs picked him, but it's just obvious the Redskins do not see him as that guy. So whether or not we get Cutler it's so obvious that unless JC throws 35 TD's next year he is not getting resigned.

I put little value on Cutler's "Pro Bowl" status. The voting was held before Denver's meltdown in the last month and really, other QBs like Rivers or Pennington were more deserving.

The Pro Bowl doesn't mean a whole lot. Is London Fletcher a bad LB because he's never been voted/chosen for a Pro Bowl? He's been one of the league's best LBers for a decade, but no Pro Bowl honors, which is a joke.

Check out Cutler's second-half game log from last season:

Jay Cutler - Denver Broncos - Game Log - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

7 INTs and just 6 TDs in the last 6 games, QB rating of 78.15 over those games down the stretch...at least one pick in 13/16 games.

That's Pro Bowl material?

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Buster

I put little value on Cutler's "Pro Bowl" status. The voting was held before Denver's meltdown in the last month and really, other QBs like Rivers or Pennington were more deserving.

The Pro Bowl doesn't mean a whole lot. Is London Fletcher a bad LB because he's never been voted/chosen for a Pro Bowl? He's been one of the league's best LBers for a decade, but no Pro Bowl honors, which is a joke.

Check out Cutler's second-half game log from last season:

Jay Cutler - Denver Broncos - Game Log - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

7 INTs and just 6 TDs in the last 6 games, QB rating of 78.15 over those games down the stretch...at least one pick in 13/16 games.

That's Pro Bowl material?

I agree the pro bowl is garbage...I just think he's shown a lot of promise at a young age. You can't play with the stats all you want to make Campbell look just as promising but when you watch the games you see that he's just not. If Cutler were not available I would want to see what Campbell could do this year but Cutler being available changes that in my mind.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by celts32

I agree the pro bowl is garbage...I just think he's shown a lot of promise at a young age. You can't play with the stats all you want to make Campbell look just as promising but when you watch the games you see that he's just not. If Cutler were not available I would want to see what Campbell could do this year but Cutler being available changes that in my mind.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Buster

Of course he's made some nice plays...but at the end of the day he averages 1 or 2 TD's a game. Look I am not a Campbell basher...and I don't want to start being one. I am more pro Cutler then I am anti Campbell. If Cutler is off the table I am happy to go into the season with Campbell.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by celts32

Of course he's made some nice plays...but at the end of the day he averages 1 or 2 TD's a game. Look I am not a Campbell basher...and I don't want to start being one. I am more pro Cutler then I am anti Campbell. If Cutler is off the table I am happy to go into the season with Campbell.

If Cutler is going to cost two # 1s then he should be off the table, the difference between Cutler and Campbell is not that great to give up even a single # 1. I said initially Campbell and a 3rd would be the most I'd give up.

- What's Cutler going to do with sub 5'10" starting receivers and an old/injury prone OL?
- If you look at his game logs, he's not setting the world on fire week-in & week-out. He'll have a monster game (usually against a sub-par D) and then throw 2 picks and an 0 TDs.
- Outside of the first 3 games of 2008, the Denver O wasn't "lighting it up" by any means.
- By the middle of the season, folks in Denver were talking about Cutler being a bust and possibly gone after 2008.