Redskins Pre-Draft Visits and Private Workouts: 2009 Version

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Son Of Man

Dude, imagine if we only drafted for need in 2007 and went after a DT like Okoye instead of Landry (who we didn't desperately need at the time). We have to look past this year and focus on building a winning franchise and Rey looks like the next Ray!!!

Wouldn't we probably be better off if this happened?

I mean, Okoye had a down year as a second year player after a promising rookie season, but Landry did as well. NFL teams really exposed all of Landry's weaknesses this year. Now he has to either adapt, or get out. Both of them do.

Okoye is still the better prospect.

[GTripp0012]

Regarding Rey, I just don't see anything astounding about his skill set. He's a fantastic prospect. Maybe as sound as a MLB prospect comes in the draft. But I don't really see what's separating him from Laurinaitis like everyone else does. If Rey is going to be a top ten pick and Laurinaitis is going to go in the bottom half of the round (hypothetically), I'd much rather go down for JL than up for Rey (hypothetically). Rey's bigger, but Laurinaitis is faster.

Plus, I'm increasingly more confident that the Jags weren't at USC to scout Sanchez, if you catch my drift.

Our worst case scenario, if we don't screw it up, ends up with Tyson Jackson or Andre Smith donning the B&G. If we don't end up with one of those guys, a better player than those guys, or more picks via trade down, then we've screwed up royally.

[RIP21GOSkins]

I honestly dont know why everyone is so in love w/ rey. yea, hes a big hitter...so what. hes not even the prospect that Arrington was. And its been said that he plays outside the system, like Arrington did, but the big differences between the 2 are:
1. Arrington was bigger
2. Faster
3. More athletic
4. Extremely agile
I got a question....wheres Arrington now? I know...out the league. Wanna know why? Because he was out of position alot which resulted in a lot of big plays. before he blew his knee out, his athleticism and speed allowed to make up being out of position. After he blew out his knee, he lost a step or two therefore he couldnt make up for being out of position which resulted in a lot more big plays, end result...nobody wanted him.

And no, playing Rey at SLB is not an option, because he runs a 4.7-4.8...hes too slow, not to mention he would be a liability in pass coverage. I love big hitters, but you have to be close enough to someone to hit him.

The only place he fits is at MLB which unfortunately is occupied by Mr. Fletcher(our defensive MVP last year)Remember him? Do you wanna tell him hes gotta change positions or even worse bench him for Rey or do you want release or trade him? I dont think so.

[Son Of Man]

Originally Posted by RIP21GOSkins

I honestly dont know why everyone is so in love w/ rey. yea, hes a big hitter...so what. hes not even the prospect that Arrington was. And its been said that he plays outside the system, like Arrington did, but the big differences between the 2 are:
1. Arrington was bigger
2. Faster
3. More athletic
4. Extremely agile
I got a question....wheres Arrington now? I know...out the league. Wanna know why? Because he was out of position alot which resulted in a lot of big plays. before he blew his knee out, his athleticism and speed allowed to make up being out of position. After he blew out his knee, he lost a step or two therefore he couldnt make up for being out of position which resulted in a lot more big plays, end result...nobody wanted him.

And no, playing Rey at SLB is not an option, because he runs a 4.7-4.8...hes too slow, not to mention he would be a liability in pass coverage. I love big hitters, but you have to be close enough to someone to hit him.

The only place he fits is at MLB which unfortunately is occupied by Mr. Fletcher(our defensive MVP last year)Remember him? Do you wanna tell him hes gotta change positions or even worse bench him for Rey or do you want release or trade him? I dont think so.

Wasn't Lavar our best player at one point? For a few seasons actually. Did Arrington make a few pro-bowl appearances? Didn't he have a new DEF Coordinator every year (same excuse you guys love to give Campbell), until his last two years with Gregg "Huge Ego" Williams?

Bigger, huh? (Arrington 6'3" at 247 lbs. - Maualuga 6'1" at 249 lbs.) no taller.
Maualuga was clocked by Mayock at 4.68 at his recent Pro-day (with a recently pulled hamstring). Pass coverage liability, look at the film from the senior bowl. He stayed in on third downs. watch USC games, he rorated in on passing downs.

No one is discrediting London Fletcher, I love the guy. But, he's turning 34 in May!!! Why pass on a 22 year old stud with HOF potential? So what he'll play slightly out of position for 1 season or 2? Let him learn under London then take over when the time is ready. Rey was the best player on the nation's best defense. The Alpha male in a pack of first round talent! he's a leader, he sets the tone. You guys gotta stop looking at the upcoming season and stopping there, think of the franchise's longevity when you consider how to build a team. Imagine if we did that in 2005 and would have taken Merriman with the 9th pick overall instead of Los. We didn't need Merriman because the afformentioned Mr. Arrington was still on the roster so we reached on Los (due to Smoot's departure). If you're gonna draft in the first, take the best player available (reference the Patriots, Steelers, Colts, Ravens). Besides, are you telling me that Rey wouldn't be an upgrade, albeit out of position, at SLB over who we currently have on the roster? I would argue better than the last 2 years with Marcus becasue we can get a full 16 games out of him. The bottom line...draft Rey!!!

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Son Of Man

Wasn't Lavar our best player at one point? For a few seasons actually. Did Arrington make a few pro-bowl appearances? Didn't he have a new DEF Coordinator every year (same excuse you guys love to give Campbell), until his last two years with Gregg "Huge Ego" Williams?

Bigger, huh? (Arrington 6'3" at 247 lbs. - Maualuga 6'1" at 249 lbs.) no taller.
Maualuga was clocked by Mayock at 4.68 at his recent Pro-day (with a recently pulled hamstring). Pass coverage liability, look at the film from the senior bowl. He stayed in on third downs. watch USC games, he rorated in on passing downs.

No one is discrediting London Fletcher, I love the guy. But, he's turning 34 in May!!! Why pass on a 22 year old stud with HOF potential? So what he'll play slightly out of position for 1 season or 2? Let him learn under London then take over when the time is ready. Rey was the best player on the nation's best defense. The Alpha male in a pack of first round talent! he's a leader, he sets the tone. You guys gotta stop looking at the upcoming season and stopping there, think of the franchise's longevity when you consider how to build a team. Imagine if we did that in 2005 and would have taken Merriman with the 9th pick overall instead of Los. We didn't need Merriman because the afformentioned Mr. Arrington was still on the roster so we reached on Los (due to Smoot's departure). If you're gonna draft in the first, take the best player available (reference the Patriots, Steelers, Colts, Ravens). Besides, are you telling me that Rey wouldn't be an upgrade, albeit out of position, at SLB over who we currently have on the roster? I would argue better than the last 2 years with Marcus becasue we can get a full 16 games out of him. The bottom line...draft Rey!!!

Some nice points SOM...

[The Goat]

I don't follow the confusion on Landry's performance. First of all, he's not playing out of position. He was a FS @ LSU and literally kept opposing QBs from going deep his entire senior year. We may have liked to put him a SS before the tragedy...but Landry is well suited to play FS and personally that's where I believe he'll make the Pro-Bowl. Second, why are people forgetting he suffered a bad hammy pull before the season started and looked a step or two behind all year? An obvious explanation for the lack of INTs and explosiveness after he looked so good in '07. Hopefully he's not injury prone...I don't believe he was in college. But basically I'm saying there's every reason to believe a healthy Laron is the top NFC safety in '09 and probably top 3 for the league. Again, look at his dominance in college. There's a reason we drafted him @ 7 and he was roundly considered the top defensive player that year by Kiper and many others.

...exhale.

[Dirtbag59]

Landry (FS) + Horton (SS) > Moore (FS) + Landry (SS)

[Dirtbag59]

I'm starting to like the idea of getting Ayers at 13. Not only does he has the size to play LE but he also saw a lot of time at RE. I know he didn't put up big numbers as a pass rusher (still 15.5 TFL is a lot) but with Haynesworth the sky could be the limit. Plus at the very least it's an upgrade of the line. Now if only they can find the next Chris Cooley at OT. Theres definitely some good guys available. I personally like the fellow from Oregon but we'll see. Tony Kropog also seems like a good option at RT due to his ability to pass protect as well as his speed that allows him to make blocks downfield.

At the same time I think I'm starting to get off the Rey bandwagon. Won't mind so much if we get him but from what I've read and seen the guy seems like an A-hole.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

I'm starting to like the idea of getting Ayers at 13. Not only does he has the size to play LE but he also saw a lot of time at RE. I know he didn't put up big numbers as a pass rusher (still 15.5 TFL is a lot) but with Haynesworth the sky could be the limit. Plus at the very least it's an upgrade of the line. Now if only they can find the next Chris Cooley at OT. Theres definitely some good guys available. I personally like the fellow from Oregon but we'll see. Tony Kropog also seems like a good option at RT due to his ability to pass protect as well as his speed that allows him to make blocks downfield.

At the same time I think I'm starting to get off the Rey bandwagon. Won't mind so much if we get him but from what I've read and seen the guy seems like an A-hole.

Well said. Rey is a heckuva football player but when people talk about him as the next Urlacher methinks they overrate him. If nothing else he plays slower than Urlacher.

Ayers, on the other hand, is an excellent fit for the defense in terms of size, speed, and skills. If we go defense at #13, it should be Ayers.

All this having been said, I'm with those who say if there is a fine OT left at 13, the Redskins should draft that guy. That is, as long as that guy is not Andre Smith. I'm among those who think he is too risky. Then again, Cinci likely will take him before #13, anyway. Oher, Beatty, or Britton would be good choices.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

I'm starting to like the idea of getting Ayers at 13. Not only does he has the size to play LE but he also saw a lot of time at RE. I know he didn't put up big numbers as a pass rusher (still 15.5 TFL is a lot) but with Haynesworth the sky could be the limit. Plus at the very least it's an upgrade of the line. Now if only they can find the next Chris Cooley at OT. Theres definitely some good guys available. I personally like the fellow from Oregon but we'll see. Tony Kropog also seems like a good option at RT due to his ability to pass protect as well as his speed that allows him to make blocks downfield.

At the same time I think I'm starting to get off the Rey bandwagon. Won't mind so much if we get him but from what I've read and seen the guy seems like an A-hole.

I think u mean Rey-hole Haven't heard anything like that apart from him having a real tough time when his dad died. I think the dc @ USC sort of took Rey under his wing and now the kid is just looking to be a dominant force in the league...but I wonder if it takes a bit of an a-hole to play so damn tough and nasty.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I think u mean Rey-hole Haven't heard anything like that apart from him having a real tough time when his dad died. I think the dc @ USC sort of took Rey under his wing and now the kid is just looking to be a dominant force in the league...but I wonder if it takes a bit of an a-hole to play so damn tough and nasty.

Doesn't hurt!

[Son Of Man]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I think u mean Rey-hole Haven't heard anything like that apart from him having a real tough time when his dad died. I think the dc @ USC sort of took Rey under his wing and now the kid is just looking to be a dominant force in the league...but I wonder if it takes a bit of an a-hole to play so damn tough and nasty.

Reference: Rodney Harrison, Ronnie Lott, Dick Butkus, Mean Joe Green, Lawrence Taylor, Mike Singletary (still an a-hole), Ray Nitchke, and last but not least...the great Sean Taylor. Takes a little bit of an a-hole to level a punter during an all-star game. I loved that guy! That's the kind of swagger our defense needs!

[AnimateYYZ]

Originally Posted by Son Of Man

Reference: Rodney Harrison, Ronnie Lott, Dick Butkus, Mean Joe Green, Lawrence Taylor, Mike Singletary (still an a-hole), Ray Nitchke, and last but not least...the great Sean Taylor. Takes a little bit of an a-hole to level a punter during an all-star game. I loved that guy! That's the kind of swagger our defense needs!

Joe Theisman should be at the top of that list.

[Son Of Man]

Originally Posted by AnimateYYZ

Joe Theisman should be at the top of that list.

You're right. You can even say Riggo though he was less of an a-hole and more of a dude that just didn't give a f*ck!

Forgot to mention Joey Porter too.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I think u mean Rey-hole Haven't heard anything like that apart from him having a real tough time when his dad died. I think the dc @ USC sort of took Rey under his wing and now the kid is just looking to be a dominant force in the league...but I wonder if it takes a bit of an a-hole to play so damn tough and nasty.

It might but guys like Troy Polamalu make me think otherwise. Anyway heres the lowdown on Rey's personal problem. Scouts Inc gave him a 4 out of 5 (5 being the worst) on his character rating.

"He was arrested in November of 2005 for suspicion of misdemeanor battery following a fight he was involved in during a Halloween party. He turned himself into authorities and agreed to attend anger management and Alcoholics Anonymous meetings, as well as perform community service. Father died of brain cancer two days prior to 2006 Rose Bowl. Maualuga was also disciplined for his involvement in an incident at a fraternity party in October of 2006. Was demoted to special teams versus Oregon State that season after he overslept a meeting."

Plus theres this video of him doing the "sneaky dance" on Erin Andrews. Which to be honest I couldn't help but laugh, but at the same time it's not something that you want from a guy that would eventually be a leader on the team.



With that said Ayers also has a record and a character rating of 4/5 (again 5 being the bad):

"Charged with aggravated assault in 2005 and Tennessee suspends him from team. School suspends him from summer school and puts him on indefinite suspension. Charges reportedly stem from fights between football players and fraternity members. The charge is later reduced to misdemeanor assault and Ayers pleads guilty. Reportedly, he was not the most coachable player early in his career but has since matured."

Now that I think about it both of these guys worry me equally now. I mean for god sakes they were getting into fights at frat parties. Imagine what happens when they go to a club, at that point it's no longer frat boys, now it's gang members and other sorts of organized crime. Of course at the same time nothing wrong with some jocks sticking it to some douche bags with popped collars (not that all frat's are bad).