Redskins Pre-Draft Visits and Private Workouts: 2009 Version

[Dirtbag59]

Also with our pick at 13, if it is between an OT and a DE like Ayers then it's kind of like what do you want to do. Do you take Ayers in hopes that you can mimmic the Giants dominant Defensive front (Ayers has drawn comparisons to Justin Tuck) and at the same time use 3rd round picks to find guys that can help you out on the O-Line (like the Giants) or do you think "hey we had the fourth ranked defense last year and we just added Haynesworth." It's time to get the O-line fixed and possibly add a project at DE like Kyle Moore or god forbid Lawrence Sidbury (though he's probably going to be a mid 2nd round pick even if he's not graded as such).

[Eknox]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Also with our pick at 13, if it is between an OT and a DE like Ayers then it's kind of like what do you want to do. Do you take Ayers in hopes that you can mimmic the Giants dominant Defensive front (Ayers has drawn comparisons to Justin Tuck) and at the same time use 3rd round picks to find guys that can help you out on the O-Line (like the Giants) or do you think "hey we had the fourth ranked defense last year and we just added Haynesworth." It's time to get the O-line fixed and possibly add a project at DE like Kyle Moore or god forbid Lawrence Sidbury (though he's probably going to be a mid 2nd round pick even if he's not graded as such).

I Love the idea of having a Justin Tuck like player on the D line next to AH and I mean I really like that idea, but we really need to adress that oline badly since as you noted the defense was ranked 4th, it's tuff to say which way we'll go @ 13 with the needs we have and options available at that spot.

[SmootSmack]

Ayers and Haynesworth share the same agent I believe

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Ayers and Haynesworth share the same agent I believe

If that's the case I wouldn't be surprised if Haynesworth personally recommended him to Ayers, considering they're both "alumni" (I don't know if they actually graduated) of Tennessee. Plus I don't know though if it's just me but in looking at highlights of Orakpo and Ayers I felt like Ayers looked more fluid.

By the way, any chance Vinny is interested in my boy, Tony Kropog?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

If that's the case I wouldn't be surprised if Haynesworth personally recommended him to Ayers, considering they're both "alumni" (I don't know if they actually graduated) of Tennessee.

By the way, any chance Vinny is interested in my boy, Tony Kropog?

I'm pretty convinced we're not going to take an OT at 13 right now. I think we should, but I don't think we will.

So, it would fall onto a third round pick to be the next RT of the Washington Redskins. And Kropog would definately be in the discussion at that point.

My personal opinion is that the first rounder should get the OL need out of the way, OT or C, and then in the third round, we should look at undervalued Running Backs or Linebackers. But I think Vinny's going to lock on Maybin or Ayers or Matthews at 13, and push the offensive needs off to later. I think that's a minor mistake, but not a dehabilitating one.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I'm pretty convinced we're not going to take an OT at 13 right now. I think we should, but I don't think we will.

So, it would fall onto a third round pick to be the next RT of the Washington Redskins. And Kropog would definately be in the discussion at that point.

My personal opinion is that the first rounder should get the OL need out of the way, OT or C, and then in the third round, we should look at undervalued Running Backs or Linebackers. But I think Vinny's going to lock on Maybin or Ayers or Matthews at 13, and push the offensive needs off to later. I think that's a minor mistake, but not a dehabilitating one.

I agree -- but hope that that's not the case. I mean how many times have we pushed the line off for something else? So Vinny is thinking, "We got Dockery, Heyer looks good, Jansen is working out, things are good!" Pretty much the same attitude we go into the season with every year, it's good enough as it stands. Let's just hope that it does "stand" this year.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

I agree -- but hope that that's not the case. I mean how many times have we pushed the line off for something else? So Vinny is thinking, "We got Dockery, Heyer looks good, Jansen is working out, things are good!" Pretty much the same attitude we go into the season with every year, it's good enough as it stands. Let's just hope that it does "stand" this year.

And as Smootsmack as pointed out, they go out of their way to say "Devin Clark" everytime the OL is the subject of conversation. So when they add only one OLman in the third round of the draft, they can say that they really like Stephon Heyer at RT, and think the world of Derrick Dockery, and think that Devin Clark is the future at RG, and Chad Rinehart is making some strides, and all of a sudden the Redskins have the strongest "JV" OL in the division third round pick considered.

There's still no one to handle Samuels' job should he go down, but hey, aging players don't get hurt ever, so we're good.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I'm pretty convinced we're not going to take an OT at 13 right now. I think we should, but I don't think we will.

So, it would fall onto a third round pick to be the next RT of the Washington Redskins. And Kropog would definately be in the discussion at that point.

My personal opinion is that the first rounder should get the OL need out of the way, OT or C, and then in the third round, we should look at undervalued Running Backs or Linebackers. But I think Vinny's going to lock on Maybin or Ayers or Matthews at 13, and push the offensive needs off to later. I think that's a minor mistake, but not a dehabilitating one.

I agree but hate to see the chance of us pushing our o-line to the next level passed up. They seem to be ok with the idea of our o-line "getting by". From a different perspective when you look at teams like Pittsburgh and the Ravens you can see how far an excellent defense can take you and I don't think we're as good on "D" as we need to be to become an elite team. At least not without filling a couple of holes or a big improvement on offense. There are players on both sides of the ball in the 3rd who can help us, but I believe there is more talent on the defensive side of the ball in the third who could help us because I don't think the need is as big there, as far as first round talent, as there is for the offense. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a dominating 0-line. You would think with the success we had with the Hogs, this would be understood by those who are building this team.

[AnimateYYZ]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I agree but hate to see the chance of us pushing our o-line to the next level passed up. They seem to be ok with the idea of our o-line "getting by". From a different perspective when you look at teams like Pittsburgh and the Ravens you can see how far an excellent defense can take you and I don't think we're as good on "D" as we need to be to become an elite team. At least not without filling a couple of holes or a big improvement on offense. There are players on both sides of the ball in the 3rd who can help us, but I believe there is more talent on the defensive side of the ball in the third who could help us because I don't think the need is as big there, as far as first round talent, as there is for the offense. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a dominating 0-line. You would think with the success we had with the Hogs, this would be understood by those who are building this team.

I see what your saying, but in my opinion, any player in the draft is a total crap shoot. And if you're talking about the hogs, it should be noted that they were a bunch of old, burly, blue-collar type guys that spent a lot of time together on and off the field (the 5 o'clock club). I think the line we have now is the closest thing we've had to the hogs, they just so happened to be injured last year. I'm not saying the O line should not be addressed in the draft, I'm just a little weary of prospects like Oher, who has short arms, said to be a liability in pass pro and couldn't even put up more than 22 reps at the combine. I'm not so sure I would invest in a guy like this with the 13th pick, just too many question marks. Besides, most of the recent mock drafts I've seen have Smith, Smith and Monroe off the board before we pick (which I believe is totally plausible) and they have Oher falling to the bottom of the 1st. I would love to get your boy Mack, but we would certainly have to pull off an unlikely trade in order for that to happen.

[GTripp0012]

I do think if Andre Smith is around, they'll pull the trigger. I'm actually pretty convinced they'll pass on Oher if he's there. I'm not convinced they are as worried about Samuels' future as I am. So the LT prospects are off the board, me thinks.

[Son Of Man]

Any more names to add to the workout list? We, myself included, seem to have gotten off the subject.

BTW- I do not want Ayers with the 13th overall pick, I'm a Maualuga fan myself. However, Mayock seems to think that this guy will have the best NFL career of defensive player in the draft this year, including Curry. I remember he said the same thing about Cutler in 2006 when majority opinon was Leinert or Vinve Young. Maybe he's on to something...then again, he was in love with Vernon Gholston last year.

Screw it, Draft Maualuga!!!!

[Dirtbag59]

Found this on Maualuga also. Apparently he might be at risk for becoming an alcoholic if he isn't one already.

Football is clearly very important to him, and he has endearingly been described as a “war daddy” by evaluators, but questions remain about his maturity, accountability, trustworthiness, intelligence and ability to responsibly handle alcohol. His coaches publicly have contended that he has matured greatly, but some of his actions have continued to suggest otherwise. One executive said he had positioned Maualuga just far enough down in the first round so that he would not be considered with the team’s first pick, hoping he would be gone by the time the second pick came around. Another evaluator said he did not envision Maualuga’s position on his team’s draft board being altered based on his character but, when pressed as to whether he would draft Maualuga in the top 10, said the pick would be “too scary.”

Crazy the way information is these days. Hell in the 70's and 80's it probably would have taken a drunk driving accident with a few fatalities to find out weather a player was abusing alcohol. Now all we have to do is read scouting reports made for fans like us online.

[Son Of Man]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Found this on Maualuga also. Apparently he might be at risk for becoming an alcoholic if he isn't one already.

Football is clearly very important to him, and he has endearingly been described as a “war daddy” by evaluators, but questions remain about his maturity, accountability, trustworthiness, intelligence and ability to responsibly handle alcohol. His coaches publicly have contended that he has matured greatly, but some of his actions have continued to suggest otherwise. One executive said he had positioned Maualuga just far enough down in the first round so that he would not be considered with the team’s first pick, hoping he would be gone by the time the second pick came around. Another evaluator said he did not envision Maualuga’s position on his team’s draft board being altered based on his character but, when pressed as to whether he would draft Maualuga in the top 10, said the pick would be “too scary.”

Crazy the way information is these days. Hell in the 70's and 80's it probably would have taken a drunk driving accident with a few fatalities to find out weather a player was abusing alcohol. Now all we have to do is read scouting reports made for fans like us online.

Some would argue that Riggo, and a few of the Hogs, abused alcohol. Remember the 5 O'Clock club? Or Sonny Jurgenson sneaking away from training camp to go on a bender. Not that I'm saying alcohol abuse isn't a concern, just adding in some perspective. If this guy really had an issue we would have heard about it all over NFL network among other sources, not just some random internet report. Many of us today could have been considered potential alcohol abusers during our college years. I think this is an overblown report because I have been researching Maualuga for 3 months now and haven't seen legitimate concern from credible sources.

BTW- I remember when they said Randy Moss had a weed problem, he fell in the draft. Okay not the greatest example of character, but Brady loves him.

Hmmm.....think I'll have a drink!

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Son Of Man

Some would argue that Riggo, and a few of the Hogs, abused alcohol. Remember the 5 O'Clock club? Or Sonny Jurgenson sneaking away from training camp to go on a bender. Not that I'm saying alcohol abuse isn't a concern, just adding in some perspective. If this guy really had an issue we would have heard about it all over NFL network among other sources, not just some random internet report. Many of us today could have been considered potential alcohol abusers during our college years. I think this is an overblown report because I have been researching Maualuga for 3 months now and haven't seen legitimate concern from credible sources.

BTW- I remember when they said Randy Moss had a weed problem, he fell in the draft. Okay not the greatest example of character, but Brady loves him.

Hmmm.....think I'll have a drink!

Lol, you're kind of right. If I had gotten caught my scouting report would have said smoked cigerettes, used weed, and tried cocaine on more then one occasion. And of course the report would also say I couldn't handle my alcohol. Ironically I don't use any of these substances today, except maybe occasionally a glass of wine but other then that I'm completely sober and have no problems with addiction (quit ciggerettes cold turkey after a little less then a year of smoking). I also got into a few fights and was exposed to every form of discipline in High school at least once with the exception being expulsion. Even though I pretty much detest fighting these days, well at least street fighting. I do enjoy learning judo and Tae Kwon Doe in a controlled enviornment where sparring partners respect each others well being.

Man, thats crazy though. I'm nothing like that today. In fact a lot of my friends would tell you that I'm one of the most square, homebody types they know. Of course I never really got caught with all the things I listed except in High School, however I had a relatively low profile in college compared to that of a colleigate athlete.

[Son Of Man]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Lol, you're kind of right. If I had gotten caught my scouting report would have said smoked cigerettes, used weed, and tried cocaine on more then one occasion. And of course the report would also say I couldn't handle my alcohol. Ironically I don't use any of these substances today, except maybe occasionally a glass of wine but other then that I'm completely sober and have no problems with addiction (quit ciggerettes cold turkey after a little less then a year of smoking). I also got into a few fights and was exposed to every form of discipline in High school at least once with the exception being expulsion. Even though I pretty much detest fighting these days, well at least street fighting. I do enjoy learning judo and Tae Kwon Doe in a controlled enviornment where sparring partners respect each others well being.

Man, thats crazy though. I'm nothing like that today. In fact a lot of my friends would tell you that I'm one of the most square, homebody types they know. Of course I never really got caught with all the things I listed except in High School, however I had a relatively low profile in college compared to that of a colleigate athlete.

Good for you dude! I can respect that!!!