It's Over: Cutler Going to Chicago

[redsk1]

From all of this it just re-establishes the fact that Zorn is DS's and VC's puppet coach. Zorn's opinion doesn't matter too much in all of this and that's bad when your football coach doesn't have much say in things....especially when it's the QB involved.

It makes me root for JC even more if that's possible. DS and VC will never learn.

[Miller101]

Originally Posted by redsk1

From all of this it just re-establishes the fact that Zorn is DS's and VC's puppet coach. Zorn's opinion doesn't matter too much in all of this and that's bad when your football coach doesn't have much say in things....especially when it's the QB involved.

It makes me root for JC even more if that's possible. DS and VC will never learn.

Or maybe they just think that Zorn's offense is flawed. Why build a team around a coach that runs a flawed offense? Why build a team around a coach that can't protect his quarterback from an outside blitz? Why build a team around a coach that doesn't know how to run the football with Sellers, Betts, and Portis? Maybe they realized that they just really screwed up hiring this coach in the first place? Maybe they are painstakingly giving him one more year, but they know that they're in for a long season?

I'm just saying............Maybe?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Miller101

Or maybe they just think that Zorn's offense is flawed. Why build a team around a coach that runs a flawed offense? Why build a team around a coach that can't protect his quarterback from an outside blitz? Why build a team around a coach that doesn't know how to run the football with Sellers, Betts, and Portis? Maybe they realized that they just really screwed up hiring this coach in the first place? Maybe they are painstakingly giving him one more year, but they know that they're in for a long season?

I'm just saying............Maybe?

That's a lot of maybes.

I think often times the most simple answer is the most logical one.

The powers that be saw Cutler to be an upgrade over Campbell.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by Miller101

Or maybe they just think that Zorn's offense is flawed. Why build a team around a coach that runs a flawed offense? Why build a team around a coach that can't protect his quarterback from an outside blitz? Why build a team around a coach that doesn't know how to run the football with Sellers, Betts, and Portis? Maybe they realized that they just really screwed up hiring this coach in the first place? Maybe they are painstakingly giving him one more year, but they know that they're in for a long season?

I'm just saying............Maybe?

Exactly who hired this coach and when? That was one of the points i've been making. The JZ hire was desparation, lack of a plan type of hire.

[irish]

Originally Posted by redsk1

Exactly who hired this coach and when? That was one of the points i've been making. The JZ hire was desparation, lack of a plan type of hire.

I agree, as much as I like the Zorn hire as a breath of fresh air, I really think DS and Co. had no other options and had to promote Zorn to HC. I cant see how any big time coach would want to come to the Skins to be jerked around by an owner that wont back him and is as likely as not to fire him fast. I think any smart coach just wouldnt want that taint on his resume.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by irish

I agree, as much as I like the Zorn hire as a breath of fresh air, I really think DS and Co. had no other options and had to promote Zorn to HC. I cant see how any big time coach would want to come to the Skins to be jerked around by an owner that wont back him and is as likely as not to fire him fast. I think any smart coach just wouldnt want that taint on his resume.

Fassell?

[irish]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Fassell?

Sure they talked to Fassell (and Gregg Williams too) but in the end I am sure Fassell told them thanks but no thanks so with no place else to turn they promoted Zorn.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by irish

Sure they talked to Fassell (and Gregg Williams too) but in the end I am sure Fassell told them thanks but no thanks so with no place else to turn they promoted Zorn.

I doubt it, considering he has spent the past year practically begging for work in the NFL, and now has settled for the UFL.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by irish

Sure they talked to Fassell (and Gregg Williams too) but in the end I am sure Fassell told them thanks but no thanks so with no place else to turn they promoted Zorn.

1 month before Marty was hired, he was an analyst on ESPN and said emphatically that he would never work for DS. Shortly thereafter Dan hired him. Since he was fired I have never heard him say one negative thing about Snyder. This, in my mind proves 2 things:
1 - If Danny wants a coach he will do what it takes to get him.
2 - Danny generally knows how to treat head coaches.

What Danny definitely does not do very well, is manage his public persona.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by irish

Sure they talked to Fassell (and Gregg Williams too) but in the end I am sure Fassell told them thanks but no thanks so with no place else to turn they promoted Zorn.

Do you honestly believe that, or does that just help you with your statement. From what I remember they were both disappointed they didn't get the job.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by irish

Sure they talked to Fassell (and Gregg Williams too) but in the end I am sure Fassell told them thanks but no thanks so with no place else to turn they promoted Zorn.

Fassell asked for the Oakland job and is now a UFL coach. I say the man was desperate. He also is a WCO disciple.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by irish

I agree, as much as I like the Zorn hire as a breath of fresh air, I really think DS and Co. had no other options and had to promote Zorn to HC. I cant see how any big time coach would want to come to the Skins to be jerked around by an owner that wont back him and is as likely as not to fire him fast. I think any smart coach just wouldnt want that taint on his resume.

Name one coach that DS has hired, who either during his time here OR upon leaving, that has said Snyder has not given him what he asked for or backed him in anyway. There are probably hundreds of posts on this board disproving the first part of your statement.

And what is your definition of fast?

[irish]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Name one coach that DS has hired, who either during his time here OR upon leaving, that has said Snyder has not given him what he asked for or backed him in anyway. There are probably hundreds of posts on this board disproving the first part of your statement.

And what is your definition of fast?

No coach said that or ever would in public. Its not necessarily what DS says, its what he doesnt say that speaks louder.

I would say that Zorn was hung out and not supported by mgmt during the whole Portis fiasco last year. Portis knew he could say that stuff because he knew when it came right down to it DS would back him not JZ.

I would say OBC quit because he knew DS was going to can him. Marty was canned because OBC became available. That was over the span of what, 3 years. I'd say 2 coaches in 3 years is pretty fast and 4 coaches in 7 or 8 years is worse yet.