Dumb and Dumber, Vinny and Dan

[PennSkinsFan]

Originally Posted by Buster

Yes, laughing stocks finish with winning records in the toughest division in pro sports.

This thread is ridiculous. I'll root for the Skins no matter who is calling the shots. Truth is, the Redskins are STILL the classiest franchise in the league. Until Haynesworth, we had no players who caused any legal troubles, and his was just a traffic offense that happened while on another team. We have a core of players who the fans love: Portis, Cooley, Landry, Moss, CAMPBELL. We have dealt with some devastating injuries in the past few years and still remained competitive, even making the playoffs and winning one, something Dallas hasn't done for 13 years. Snyder hired a coach who never coached before in his life, not even a pro coordinator. He finished .500 in his first season and would have done FAR better without the line injuries. Sure, we could have tried to prepare better with more depth on the bench, but overall, we have a great team and it's been upgraded dramatically this season with Haynesworth, Dockery and resigning Hall. Who did that? Oh yes, Dan Snyder. I don't agree with everything he does, but he brought back Gibbs and has built a very good core here that I am a huge fan of. I am very relieved we did not get Cutler, but you can't deny that Snyder has the team's success in mind when he tries these strange moves. At least we have an owner that actually TRIES to improve the team, unlike Detroit. We're also lucky he's not the type of egomaniac who tries to call plays from his luxury box like Jerry Jones or Al Davis. Being an NFL owner is a lot like being President, you're never going to be popular and fans will always think they can do a better job. Even Kraft up in New England has his share of detractors and haters.

We have too many drama queens here. We have a VERY respectable team who I'm excited and proud to call myself a fan of. I am very excited to watch the Skins compete for the NFC East title this season, especially since Dallas and Philly went the opposite direction as us this offseason.

I guess it depends on how you define success. If you define success since Snyder purchased the team as an overall record of 66-78. no NFC East Titles, No NFC titles, and no Super bowl appearances, then yes, Dan Snyder';s tenure has gone well, real well. Plus you say, well, at least we don't have an owner like Detroit or Al Davis. I say, why can we have an owner like Dan Rooney or Bob Kraft. Why always shoot for the bottom? You also say we have an owner who TRIES and improves the team? Really? Dan Snyder acts on impulse and whims. There is no franchise plan. That is not trying to improve, that is wanting to win HIS way and that is it. I have not talked to one scout, one draft professional, or one media person that has any respect for Vinny Cerrato. What has Cerrato done to deserve his job? I';ll answer that. He plays racquetball with Snyder and says yes to Snyder when Snyder asks if this or that is a good idea.

Optimism is one thing. Pessimism is another. yet, reality is as well. How many more off-season farces and mediocre records does it take? It's been almost a decade.

[Spence]

Dan Snyder is a terrible owner. If you can't see that you're either employed by him or you've got your head buried in the sand. Our head coach seems like a decent man, ditto for the defensive coordinator. I like a lot of the players, not all of them. But Snyder is awful. He's terrible. It's rather stunning that some people still debate this.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Spence

Dan Snyder is a terrible owner. If you can't see that you're either employed by him or you've got your head buried in the sand. Our head coach seems like a decent man, ditto for the defensive coordinator. I like a lot of the players, not all of them. But Snyder is awful. He's terrible. It's rather stunning that some people still debate this.

I don't debate that people THINK he is awful. I don't even debate that he has done some crazy dumb stuff. But I'd take him as owner over most others becasue I do believe that once he finally figures this out we are going to be dominate. Question is whether he will ever figure it out. It is hard for me to believe that he got to this point in his life and is simply dumb.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Spence

Dan Snyder is a terrible owner. If you can't see that you're either employed by him or you've got your head buried in the sand. Our head coach seems like a decent man, ditto for the defensive coordinator. I like a lot of the players, not all of them. But Snyder is awful. He's terrible. It's rather stunning that some people still debate this.

Preface:
yesterday i was severely frustrated with DS, but he stepped back from the trade, so i will step back from that frustration.

Preface 2:
I respect DC Pro Sports, and Matty and the Warpath partnered up with you guys, so that speaks highly of y'all.

My question:
Why does DC Pro Sports hate Dan Snyder?????

In your above quote you basically say that anyone who doesn't see him as a terrible owner is oblivious or in his employ, but obviously many intelligent people see that some level of maturation has occurred over the years. It seems visceral with you guys and I just don't get it.

Hey if he makes a bonehead move, fine, report it, point it out. But seriously, when you say worst owner, dozens of other figures come to my mind before he does.

[PennSkinsFan]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Preface:
yesterday i was severely frustrated with DS, but he stepped back from the trade, so i will step back from that frustration.

Preface 2:
I respect DC Pro Sports, and Matty and the Warpath partnered up with you guys, so that speaks highly of y'all.

My question:
Why does DC Pro Sports hate Dan Snyder?????

In your above quote you basically say that anyone who doesn't see him as a terrible owner is oblivious or in his employ, but obviously many intelligent people see that some level of maturation has occurred over the years. It seems visceral with you guys and I just don't get it.

Hey if he makes a bonehead move, fine, report it, point it out. But seriously, when you say worst owner, dozens of other figures come to my mind before he does.

I am not going to speak for Tom, but i can give you my perspective.

I gave Dan Snyder a good 4 to 5 years. I think Matt can attest to that, he used to post at times with us at hR and I used to defend Snyder. That has changed over the last three years because I don't like what I see that he has done to this once proud and historic organization. This has nothing to do with Dan the person. I don't know Dan. I have met several in the organization, but never Dan. I don't know him. BUT, I don't like his ownership style and I never will. This franchise really has no thought out plan for success. There is no plan for drafting to replace players in a few years, to build a healthy franchise. It develops players, leaves them go. Spends vasts amount of money on stars, while critical positions linger. They have not invested good solid drafts picks on the Oline and Dline since 2000. That is horrific. Especially given how critical those position are to success. The franchise is nothing more than a 10-6 to 5-11 franchise, hit the playoffs once every few years, but that is about it. Why? Because there is no direction. When your owner believe Vinny Cerrato is the guy, I already question it.

Listen, we all have differing opinions. I am one of those kind of guys, porbably because of my professional life and the success we have had at DCPSR, I am simply one of those guys that always believe in, what have you done lately. This farnchise has been mediocre since Snyder bought it and the lack of planning and decisions like Jason Taylor, Brandon Lloyd, and TJ Duckett are just awful, simply awful. I guess growing up in the 80s and watching how Jack Kente Cooke developed this franchise, with a professional staff, spoiled me. Watching teams like Pittsburgh and New England win year in and year out because they draft with purpose makes me wish. Given the fact that the last two years have seen more and more empty seats at FEDEX, I would say that Snyder's ownership is taking an effect, and not a good one. Just my opinion.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by PennSkinsFan

I am not going to speak for Tom, but i can give you my perspective.

I gave Dan Snyder a good 4 to 5 years. I think Matt can attest to that, he used to post at times with us at hR and I used to defend Snyder. That has changed over the last three years because I don't like what I see that he has done to this once proud and historic organization. This has nothing to do with Dan the person. I don't know Dan. I have met several in the organization, but never Dan. I don't know him. BUT, I don't like his ownership style and I never will. This franchise really has no thought out plan for success. There is no plan for drafting to replace players in a few years, to build a healthy franchise. It develops players, leaves them go. Spends vasts amount of money on stars, while critical positions linger. They have not invested good solid drafts picks on the Oline and Dline since 2000. That is horrific. Especially given how critical those position are to success. The franchise is nothing more than a 10-6 to 5-11 franchise, hit the playoffs once every few years, but that is about it. Why? Because there is no direction. When your owner believe Vinny Cerrato is the guy, I already question it.

Listen, we all have differing opinions. I am one of those kind of guys, porbably because of my professional life and the success we have had at DCPSR, I am simply one of those guys that always believe in, what have you done lately. This farnchise has been mediocre since Snyder bought it and the lack of planning and decisions like Jason Taylor, Brandon Lloyd, and TJ Duckett are just awful, simply awful. I guess growing up in the 80s and watching how Jack Kente Cooke developed this franchise, with a professional staff, spoiled me. Watching teams like Pittsburgh and New England win year in and year out because they draft with purpose makes me wish. Given the fact that the last two years have seen more and more empty seats at FEDEX, I would say that Snyder's ownership is taking an effect, and not a good one. Just my opinion.

Thanks for the thoughts, certainly well expressed. My next question is do you see a growth and maturation in Snyder (I certainly think I do). If so, does that give you any pause in your thoughts, or do you think it is too small to measure?