How will you measure success?

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

There are 5 players currently on the roster who are key to our improvement in '09. Campbell, D. Thomas, Kelly, Haynesworth and Hall. We've spent the better part of the week debating JC vs. JC with stats, W-L %, etc, etc, etc. so spare the vague answers of 'doing a better job of XYZ' or 'fulfulling his potential' for any of them. Be as specific as you can.

So the question is simple, what would you consider success from:

Jason Campbell-

Devin Thomas-

Malcolm Kelly-

Albert Haynesworth-

DeAngelo Hall-

Nice thread.

Jason Campbell - QB rating of 88 or better (NFL Average is 86). I want to see visibly quicker reads and decisions. And want to see the INT rate stay low again this year, prove that wasn't a fluke. Most of all, I want to see him take over at least one game and lead the team back from a deficit to win with a game-winning drive. IN that situation, I want to see him make the throws when everyone knows we're going to throw.

If he had a great line and great WRs to play with, I'd ask for a QB rating of 100. But I can't expect him to be a miracle worker here.

Devin Thomas - I can't see him being much more than a Devery Henderson at this point. But Henderson has made some nice deep plays at times for the Saints. Give me 5 TDs over the top throughout the season and I'll be happy. Not getting my hopes up though, because he'll need to step up the work ethic big time. So I guess I'm saying I'm already disappointed by Thomas and have already adjusted my expectations downward.

Malcolm Kelly - Number one, for God's sake, stay on the field. Give me 50 catches for 600 yards and I'll honestly be happy with that for a second season. Most of all, show that you can draw defensive attention in the red zone, drawing doubles and such, so that things open up for everyone else. Make chain-moving catches in traffic.

Albert Haynesworth - Against the run, I want to see this team in the top 3 against the run. We should be, our DEs are built to stop the run, Haynesworth is built to stop the run. Against the pass, I'll measure his impact by looking at the play of those around him. I want to see him drawing double teams. I don't care if Albert himself is held sackless, as long as others like Andre Carter, Griffin, and other defensive linemen are getting to the QB. So I guess I'd measure the team's total sacks. More importantly, I want to see a noticeable difference in the opposing QB's comfort level. If I frequently see a QB dropping back feeling completely comfortable, and taking his time to scan the field, then I'll be disappointed in Albert. A hurried QB means more turnovers, so we should see an uptick there.

DeAngelo Hall - Just show me that the pass defense doesn't drop off with Springs's absence. So really, I'm saying I'd judge him in tandem with Carlos Rogers and whoever the nickel is (Smoot). I was pleased with last year's pass D. Just do it again without Springs and I've got no problems. I want 5 INTs or more out of Hall, but that doesn't seem to be a problem for him.

[backrow]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Nice thread.

Jason Campbell - QB rating of 88 or better (NFL Average is 86). I want to see visibly quicker reads and decisions. And want to see the INT rate stay low again this year, prove that wasn't a fluke. Most of all, I want to see him take over at least one game and lead the team back from a deficit to win with a game-winning drive. IN that situation, I want to see him make the throws when everyone knows we're going to throw.

If he had a great line and great WRs to play with, I'd ask for a QB rating of 100. But I can't expect him to be a miracle worker here.

Devin Thomas - I can't see him being much more than a Devery Henderson at this point. But Henderson has made some nice deep plays at times for the Saints. Give me 5 TDs over the top throughout the season and I'll be happy. Not getting my hopes up though, because he'll need to step up the work ethic big time. So I guess I'm saying I'm already disappointed by Thomas and have already adjusted my expectations downward.

Malcolm Kelly - Number one, for God's sake, stay on the field. Give me 50 catches for 600 yards and I'll honestly be happy with that for a second season. Most of all, show that you can draw defensive attention in the red zone, drawing doubles and such, so that things open up for everyone else. Make chain-moving catches in traffic.

Albert Haynesworth - Against the run, I want to see this team in the top 3 against the run. We should be, our DEs are built to stop the run, Haynesworth is built to stop the run. Against the pass, I'll measure his impact by looking at the play of those around him. I want to see him drawing double teams. I don't care if Albert himself is held sackless, as long as others like Andre Carter, Griffin, and other defensive linemen are getting to the QB. So I guess I'd measure the team's total sacks. More importantly, I want to see a noticeable difference in the opposing QB's comfort level. If I frequently see a QB dropping back feeling completely comfortable, and taking his time to scan the field, then I'll be disappointed in Albert. A hurried QB means more turnovers, so we should see an uptick there.

DeAngelo Hall - Just show me that the pass defense doesn't drop off with Springs's absence. So really, I'm saying I'd judge him in tandem with Carlos Rogers and whoever the nickel is (Smoot). I was pleased with last year's pass D. Just do it again without Springs and I've got no problems. I want 5 INTs or more out of Hall, but that doesn't seem to be a problem for him.

Agree! Nice thread!

1. JC- QB rating of 89 with 24 or more TDs, 9 or less Ints. I like your come-back scenario, we need more comebacks when the opponent gets up on us by a score or two. (89 Had to one up you Schneed!)

2. DT - 5-6 TDs, keep his head in the game, bring spark to the O, show that supposed speed, use it a good bit across the middle as well as deep.

3. MK - 50 catches would be good, but I guess we don't have Thrash anymore, and maybe that's addition by subtraction.

4. AH - Totally great call Schneed! I like your input! Can I claim it as my own?

5. DAH - More than 7 ints, and no TD's attributed to his side of the D. With AH I don't see QBs having as much time to pick the secondary apart. I'm not as sold on this being such a great secondary as many suppose. I'm going to miss SS because of his man-up skills on big WRs like TO.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Nice thread.

Jason Campbell - QB rating of 88 or better (NFL Average is 86). I want to see visibly quicker reads and decisions. And want to see the INT rate stay low again this year, prove that wasn't a fluke. Most of all, I want to see him take over at least one game and lead the team back from a deficit to win with a game-winning drive. IN that situation, I want to see him make the throws when everyone knows we're going to throw.

If he had a great line and great WRs to play with, I'd ask for a QB rating of 100. But I can't expect him to be a miracle worker here.

Devin Thomas - I can't see him being much more than a Devery Henderson at this point. But Henderson has made some nice deep plays at times for the Saints. Give me 5 TDs over the top throughout the season and I'll be happy. Not getting my hopes up though, because he'll need to step up the work ethic big time. So I guess I'm saying I'm already disappointed by Thomas and have already adjusted my expectations downward.

Malcolm Kelly - Number one, for God's sake, stay on the field. Give me 50 catches for 600 yards and I'll honestly be happy with that for a second season. Most of all, show that you can draw defensive attention in the red zone, drawing doubles and such, so that things open up for everyone else. Make chain-moving catches in traffic.

Albert Haynesworth - Against the run, I want to see this team in the top 3 against the run. We should be, our DEs are built to stop the run, Haynesworth is built to stop the run. Against the pass, I'll measure his impact by looking at the play of those around him. I want to see him drawing double teams. I don't care if Albert himself is held sackless, as long as others like Andre Carter, Griffin, and other defensive linemen are getting to the QB. So I guess I'd measure the team's total sacks. More importantly, I want to see a noticeable difference in the opposing QB's comfort level. If I frequently see a QB dropping back feeling completely comfortable, and taking his time to scan the field, then I'll be disappointed in Albert. A hurried QB means more turnovers, so we should see an uptick there.

DeAngelo Hall - Just show me that the pass defense doesn't drop off with Springs's absence. So really, I'm saying I'd judge him in tandem with Carlos Rogers and whoever the nickel is (Smoot). I was pleased with last year's pass D. Just do it again without Springs and I've got no problems. I want 5 INTs or more out of Hall, but that doesn't seem to be a problem for him.

I'll second this and just add a few things:

JC: More production in the TD category. He needs to be around or over the 20 TD mark. As far as picks 10 or less. I think he's certainly capable of doing both. And a completion % closer to 65.

Thomas: Just look like you know what you're doing son. I'm not expecting a miracle, but let's see the right routes being run, a lot less dumb penalties, and some game changing plays here and there. Step up and earn your pay.

Kelly: Just stay healthy and I think the rest will take care of itself.

Haynesworth: Dude needs to earn his pay right out of the gate. He needs to be a beast against the run and collapse the pocket up the middle. Without question he needs to pick up where he left off in Tennessee. Note to Greg Blache, turn this guy loose please. I don't want to see him bottled up like we did with Taylor. Turn him loose and let him play his game.

Hall: He needs to make us not miss Springs in the least bit. Show the football world that you truly have matured and you are ready to be a prime time player on the field and in the locker room.

[Trample the Elderly]

There can only be one measure of success and that is winning. I don't care how many INT soup throws, nor do I care about how many catches those guys make. If hall intercepts every ball that is thrown in his direction, it will not matter if we come away from next season without a playoff appearance.

I think success should be measured more so with guys like Raback, Heyer, Dock, Samuels, Haynesworth, Griffin, Carter, and Daniels. If these guys aren't successful then it will not matter how good the flashy players are.

My measure of success is in the division. We know we can beat Filth-a-delphia. We can beat Dallas on any given Sunday. It's the NJGs that we need to be able to put down if we're going to be serious contenders in the division and make consistent playoff appearances that will lead to a SB.

Here's my measure for next year, and yes it is high.

NFC EAST: Redskins 5-1
Season: Redskins 12-4

That's a Division Championship and a playoff appearance. Until that happens there will never be another SB.

[rypper11]

JC - Quicker decision making. Within 3 seconds he has to know where to go.

Devin Thomas/Malcolm Kelly - I'd be ecstatic if either of them could become a decent 5th option (behind Moss, ARE, Portis and Cooley). If they could combine for 8 TD's this year they'll be delivering.

Al - I think you have to look at the whole DLines stats to see his impact. I agree with the top 3 against the run goal and I'd like to add below 55% comp by opponents qb's. If Carter gets over 12 sacks it will have a lot to do with Al.

Hall - He's being paid like a shutdown corner so he should deliver as such. The modern rules make it nearly impossible to keep a receiver to zero catches but no receiver should catch over 100 yards on him and he needs to get at least 6 picks.Of course, if Smoot and Carlos are getting torched no qb will look his way so he'll get no picks.