Redskins Pre-Draft Visits and Private Workouts: 2009 Version

[Dirtbag59]

I'm starting to like the idea of getting Ayers at 13. Not only does he has the size to play LE but he also saw a lot of time at RE. I know he didn't put up big numbers as a pass rusher (still 15.5 TFL is a lot) but with Haynesworth the sky could be the limit. Plus at the very least it's an upgrade of the line. Now if only they can find the next Chris Cooley at OT. Theres definitely some good guys available. I personally like the fellow from Oregon but we'll see. Tony Kropog also seems like a good option at RT due to his ability to pass protect as well as his speed that allows him to make blocks downfield.

At the same time I think I'm starting to get off the Rey bandwagon. Won't mind so much if we get him but from what I've read and seen the guy seems like an A-hole.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

I'm starting to like the idea of getting Ayers at 13. Not only does he has the size to play LE but he also saw a lot of time at RE. I know he didn't put up big numbers as a pass rusher (still 15.5 TFL is a lot) but with Haynesworth the sky could be the limit. Plus at the very least it's an upgrade of the line. Now if only they can find the next Chris Cooley at OT. Theres definitely some good guys available. I personally like the fellow from Oregon but we'll see. Tony Kropog also seems like a good option at RT due to his ability to pass protect as well as his speed that allows him to make blocks downfield.

At the same time I think I'm starting to get off the Rey bandwagon. Won't mind so much if we get him but from what I've read and seen the guy seems like an A-hole.

Well said. Rey is a heckuva football player but when people talk about him as the next Urlacher methinks they overrate him. If nothing else he plays slower than Urlacher.

Ayers, on the other hand, is an excellent fit for the defense in terms of size, speed, and skills. If we go defense at #13, it should be Ayers.

All this having been said, I'm with those who say if there is a fine OT left at 13, the Redskins should draft that guy. That is, as long as that guy is not Andre Smith. I'm among those who think he is too risky. Then again, Cinci likely will take him before #13, anyway. Oher, Beatty, or Britton would be good choices.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

I'm starting to like the idea of getting Ayers at 13. Not only does he has the size to play LE but he also saw a lot of time at RE. I know he didn't put up big numbers as a pass rusher (still 15.5 TFL is a lot) but with Haynesworth the sky could be the limit. Plus at the very least it's an upgrade of the line. Now if only they can find the next Chris Cooley at OT. Theres definitely some good guys available. I personally like the fellow from Oregon but we'll see. Tony Kropog also seems like a good option at RT due to his ability to pass protect as well as his speed that allows him to make blocks downfield.

At the same time I think I'm starting to get off the Rey bandwagon. Won't mind so much if we get him but from what I've read and seen the guy seems like an A-hole.

I think u mean Rey-hole Haven't heard anything like that apart from him having a real tough time when his dad died. I think the dc @ USC sort of took Rey under his wing and now the kid is just looking to be a dominant force in the league...but I wonder if it takes a bit of an a-hole to play so damn tough and nasty.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I think u mean Rey-hole Haven't heard anything like that apart from him having a real tough time when his dad died. I think the dc @ USC sort of took Rey under his wing and now the kid is just looking to be a dominant force in the league...but I wonder if it takes a bit of an a-hole to play so damn tough and nasty.

Doesn't hurt!

[Son Of Man]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I think u mean Rey-hole Haven't heard anything like that apart from him having a real tough time when his dad died. I think the dc @ USC sort of took Rey under his wing and now the kid is just looking to be a dominant force in the league...but I wonder if it takes a bit of an a-hole to play so damn tough and nasty.

Reference: Rodney Harrison, Ronnie Lott, Dick Butkus, Mean Joe Green, Lawrence Taylor, Mike Singletary (still an a-hole), Ray Nitchke, and last but not least...the great Sean Taylor. Takes a little bit of an a-hole to level a punter during an all-star game. I loved that guy! That's the kind of swagger our defense needs!

[AnimateYYZ]

Originally Posted by Son Of Man

Reference: Rodney Harrison, Ronnie Lott, Dick Butkus, Mean Joe Green, Lawrence Taylor, Mike Singletary (still an a-hole), Ray Nitchke, and last but not least...the great Sean Taylor. Takes a little bit of an a-hole to level a punter during an all-star game. I loved that guy! That's the kind of swagger our defense needs!

Joe Theisman should be at the top of that list.

[Son Of Man]

Originally Posted by AnimateYYZ

Joe Theisman should be at the top of that list.

You're right. You can even say Riggo though he was less of an a-hole and more of a dude that just didn't give a f*ck!

Forgot to mention Joey Porter too.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I think u mean Rey-hole Haven't heard anything like that apart from him having a real tough time when his dad died. I think the dc @ USC sort of took Rey under his wing and now the kid is just looking to be a dominant force in the league...but I wonder if it takes a bit of an a-hole to play so damn tough and nasty.

It might but guys like Troy Polamalu make me think otherwise. Anyway heres the lowdown on Rey's personal problem. Scouts Inc gave him a 4 out of 5 (5 being the worst) on his character rating.

"He was arrested in November of 2005 for suspicion of misdemeanor battery following a fight he was involved in during a Halloween party. He turned himself into authorities and agreed to attend anger management and Alcoholics Anonymous meetings, as well as perform community service. Father died of brain cancer two days prior to 2006 Rose Bowl. Maualuga was also disciplined for his involvement in an incident at a fraternity party in October of 2006. Was demoted to special teams versus Oregon State that season after he overslept a meeting."

Plus theres this video of him doing the "sneaky dance" on Erin Andrews. Which to be honest I couldn't help but laugh, but at the same time it's not something that you want from a guy that would eventually be a leader on the team.



With that said Ayers also has a record and a character rating of 4/5 (again 5 being the bad):

"Charged with aggravated assault in 2005 and Tennessee suspends him from team. School suspends him from summer school and puts him on indefinite suspension. Charges reportedly stem from fights between football players and fraternity members. The charge is later reduced to misdemeanor assault and Ayers pleads guilty. Reportedly, he was not the most coachable player early in his career but has since matured."

Now that I think about it both of these guys worry me equally now. I mean for god sakes they were getting into fights at frat parties. Imagine what happens when they go to a club, at that point it's no longer frat boys, now it's gang members and other sorts of organized crime. Of course at the same time nothing wrong with some jocks sticking it to some douche bags with popped collars (not that all frat's are bad).

[Dirtbag59]

Also with our pick at 13, if it is between an OT and a DE like Ayers then it's kind of like what do you want to do. Do you take Ayers in hopes that you can mimmic the Giants dominant Defensive front (Ayers has drawn comparisons to Justin Tuck) and at the same time use 3rd round picks to find guys that can help you out on the O-Line (like the Giants) or do you think "hey we had the fourth ranked defense last year and we just added Haynesworth." It's time to get the O-line fixed and possibly add a project at DE like Kyle Moore or god forbid Lawrence Sidbury (though he's probably going to be a mid 2nd round pick even if he's not graded as such).

[Eknox]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Also with our pick at 13, if it is between an OT and a DE like Ayers then it's kind of like what do you want to do. Do you take Ayers in hopes that you can mimmic the Giants dominant Defensive front (Ayers has drawn comparisons to Justin Tuck) and at the same time use 3rd round picks to find guys that can help you out on the O-Line (like the Giants) or do you think "hey we had the fourth ranked defense last year and we just added Haynesworth." It's time to get the O-line fixed and possibly add a project at DE like Kyle Moore or god forbid Lawrence Sidbury (though he's probably going to be a mid 2nd round pick even if he's not graded as such).

I Love the idea of having a Justin Tuck like player on the D line next to AH and I mean I really like that idea, but we really need to adress that oline badly since as you noted the defense was ranked 4th, it's tuff to say which way we'll go @ 13 with the needs we have and options available at that spot.