do you speed?

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

What if it was someone with a legit emergency that was flashing their lights? Granted 99% of the time it's just probably some a-hole, but what if it's that one time where someone has a legit reason?

To me it's just easy to move over and let them go. Sooner or later they're going to get theirs.

This is a generalized post not entirely directed in response to Matty's post above:

- To Matty's point. If you have an emergency, call friggin 911! What the hell are you doing trying to drive somewhere yourself? That's why they have sirens and flashing lights.

- Just because it's an "emergency" and you're driving, doesn't make excessive speeding any less illegal.

- Glad to hear there is at least one other person on this site who's willing to stand up for safe driving. TMC makes great points. The most significant of which is basically: if you're speeding excessively or driving aggressively, you have no right to criticize the legality of blocking the left lane. If you can break the law by speeding, you can't get mad at me for blocking the left lane. How is one more legal, or justifiable, than the other?

- I see that my abrasive personality, combined with my combative stance against speeders, has pissed off more than one person on this site. I say good. I love you for being a Redskins fan, but slow down. Instead of getting caught up in battling me because I'm an asshole, I ask you to address the purpose of this thread and give me one, ONE rational reason why you need to go 95 mph on the road?

If you're going 85 I really don't care all that much. But if you're going 95, bring it, start actually debating this. Why do you need to go that fast?

[gibbsisgod]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

- To Matty's point. If you have an emergency, call friggin 911! What the hell are you doing trying to drive somewhere yourself? That's why they have sirens and flashing lights.

What would you have suggested I do in my situation? I was in a differnet state. I raced home to be beside my child in her time of need. As I said before, i don't speed, but I think I had a legit reason that day.

I wonder if your child was having a medical emergency if you would feel the same way.

"abrassive personality" , Thats putting it mildly.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by gibbsisgod

What would you have suggested I do in my situation? I was in a differnet state. I raced home to be beside my child in her time of need. As I said before, i don't speed, but I think I had a legit reason that day.

I wonder if your child was having a medical emergency if you would feel the same way.

"abrassive personality" , Thats putting it mildly.

If you were to go 85 or 95, how much time would it save you? In case you're not a math person, over the course of a 120-mile trip, it would save you 9 minutes.

I have no idea of the nature of the emergency. Hopefully someone called 911 so professionals could be on the scene. But I still don't see the logic in endangering the lives of drivers around you to save 10 minutes.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

If you were to go 85 or 95, how much time would it save you? In case you're not a math person, over the course of a 120-mile trip, it would save you 9 minutes.

I have no idea of the nature of the emergency. Hopefully someone called 911 so professionals could be on the scene. But I still don't see the logic in endangering the lives of drivers around you to save 10 minutes.

What if you're Ryan Moats's wife and those 9 minutes are the difference between having one final moment with your mom...or not?

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What if you're Ryan Moats's wife and those 9 minutes are the difference between having one final moment with your mom...or not?

Well he was detained by a cop, so that's different.

But in the world of the hypothetical, I guess put on your flashers. Like I said, that would probably signal me that something's up.

But you really shouldn't be driving if you're in a tough emotional state like that, regardless of the speed you're going.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Well he was detained by a cop, so that's different.

But in the world of the hypothetical, I guess put on your flashers. Like I said, that would probably signal me that something's up.

But you really shouldn't be driving if you're in a tough emotional state like that, regardless of the speed you're going.

Come on man. Be realistic. Put yourself in his shoes. If your wife's mother was just minutes from death, you both would be upset and emotional about it. Would you tell your wife, sorry honey, I'm too sad to drive us to the hospital?

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What if you're Ryan Moats's wife and those 9 minutes are the difference between having one final moment with your mom...or not?

I would not be shelfish enough to endanger others so that ?I could spend the last 9 minutes with my mom. Nothing justifys endanger other people's lives or your own by driving reckless and fast.

My cop friend always says the most dangerous weapon you can give someone is an automoblie. I tend to agree with him.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by mredskins

I would not be shelfish enough to endanger others so that ?I could spend the last 9 minutes with my mom. Nothing justifys endanger other people's lives or your own by driving reckless and fast.

My cop friend always says the most dangerous weapon you can give someone is an automoblie. I tend to agree with him.

Moats wasn't hauling ass like a jerk, he was probably speeding a bit, but he had his hazards on, and the reason he was stopped was for running a red light. However, he came to a complete stop at that light, and when he saw no other cars were coming, he went through the intersection. Sure, he violated a traffic law, but it was pretty defensible given the circumstances. I certainly wouldn't say he was recklessly endangering other people's lives.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Moats wasn't hauling ass like a jerk, he was probably speeding a bit, but he had his hazards on, and the reason he was stopped was for running a red light. However, he came to a complete stop at that light, and when he saw no other cars were coming, he went through the intersection. Sure, he violated a traffic law, but it was pretty defensible given the circumstances. I certainly wouldn't say he was recklessly endangering other people's lives.

This is why I don't like to argue hypotheticals, it's just confusing and pointless.

We're not debating what happened to Moats, we're debating whether it would be OK to speed excessively if you had a relative on their deathbed and you had moments to see them one final time.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Moats wasn't hauling ass like a jerk, he was probably speeding a bit, but he had his hazards on, and the reason he was stopped was for running a red light. However, he came to a complete stop at that light, and when he saw no other cars were coming, he went through the intersection. Sure, he violated a traffic law, but it was pretty defensible given the circumstances. I certainly wouldn't say he was recklessly endangering other people's lives.

I never said Moat did this, I was saying I would not do this.

GM not to be a jerk but you should try re-reading post before commenting a few times here and in the "advice needed" thread you have made remarks then had to back peddle cause you said the wrong thing. I have done it too, just saying.

[gibbsisgod]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

If you were to go 85 or 95, how much time would it save you? In case you're not a math person, over the course of a 120-mile trip, it would save you 9 minutes.

I have no idea of the nature of the emergency. Hopefully someone called 911 so professionals could be on the scene. But I still don't see the logic in endangering the lives of drivers around you to save 10 minutes.

the last thing on my mind was how much time I would save by going 95. The only thing on mind was I needed to be with my child ASAP. And I was flashing my lights and had my hazards on and all I know is he was acting just like you.

All I'm saying is 2 wrongs don't make a right. And the major point is you don't know why a person might be speeding.

Hypothetical scenario: Lets take the Ryan Moats situation and change it up a bit. Lets say he got a call saying a family member was dying and he needed to come now. He follows the speed limt and gets to the hospital only to find out he was 5 minutes too late. I would bet if you were in this situation you would drive as fast as you could to be beside a loved one who was dying.

In my situation I was 22 years old and my wife was 20. Our daughter was having a serious medical issue and while 911 was called, It was my responsibility to be there. You are right, endangering the lives of others is never a good thing but at the time, I did what was necessary and someone like you was just being an asshole vigilante traffic cop.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by gibbsisgod

the last thing on my mind was how much time I would save by going 95. The only thing on mind was I needed to be with my child ASAP. And I was flashing my lights and had my hazards on and all I know is he was acting just like you.

All I'm saying is 2 wrongs don't make a right. And the major point is you don't know why a person might be speeding.

Hypothetical scenario: Lets take the Ryan Moats situation and change it up a bit. Lets say he got a call saying a family member was dying and he needed to come now. He follows the speed limt and gets to the hospital only to find out he was 5 minutes too late. I would bet if you were in this situation you would drive as fast as you could to be beside a loved one who was dying.

In my situation I was 22 years old and my wife was 20. Our daughter was having a serious medical issue and while 911 was called, It was my responsibility to be there. You are right, endangering the lives of others is never a good thing but at the time, I did what was necessary and someone like you was just being an asshole vigilante traffic cop.

Other then support how where you going to help your ailing daughter? Was this worth risking your life and others? Hmmm...no.

I realize there is a huge emotionally factor here but get someone else to drive you.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Other then support how where you going to help your ailing daughter? Was this worth risking your life and others? Hmmm...no.

I realize there is a huge emotionally factor here but get someone else to drive you.

Exactly. How can you help a sick child? You're not an MD, right?

It's an emotional reaction, which believe me, I get. I'd probably feel compelled to get there as quickly as possible too. But that doesn't make it smart, and that doesn't make it right.

What I'd really kick myself over is if I got in an accident where I killed somebody, or left my wife without a husband.

In that situation I think I'd have to draw upon faith. Send up a prayer to whatever God there may be, and hope it all turns out alright.

I feel for you though GIG, and even though I disagree with the actions you took, don't think the weight of the situation is lost on me. I would struggle with it as well, and I imagine I'd get up to 90 at times and then remind myself to cool down and be safe, and then get back up to 90, and cool down and be safe, and so on.

[gibbsisgod]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Exactly. How can you help a sick child? You're not an MD, right?

It's an emotional reaction, which believe me, I get. I'd probably feel compelled to get there as quickly as possible too. But that doesn't make it smart, and that doesn't make it right.

What I'd really kick myself over is if I got in an accident where I killed somebody, or left my wife without a husband.

In that situation I think I'd have to draw upon faith. Send up a prayer to whatever God there may be, and hope it all turns out alright.

I feel for you though GIG, and even though I disagree with the actions you took, don't think the weight of the situation is lost on me. I would struggle with it as well, and I imagine I'd get up to 90 at times and then remind myself to cool down and be safe, and then get back up to 90, and cool down and be safe, and so on.

No I'm not an MD. I was a very young and new father who was scared. You are right though, it wasn't smart.

My whole point was to not take the law into your own hands because it may be a life or death situation one time. The person who held me up didn't know my child was having an emergency, and you don't know what the situation is of the person who is speeding.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

This is a generalized post not entirely directed in response to Matty's post above:

- To Matty's point. If you have an emergency, call friggin 911! What the hell are you doing trying to drive somewhere yourself? That's why they have sirens and flashing lights.

- Just because it's an "emergency" and you're driving, doesn't make excessive speeding any less illegal.

- Glad to hear there is at least one other person on this site who's willing to stand up for safe driving. TMC makes great points. The most significant of which is basically: if you're speeding excessively or driving aggressively, you have no right to criticize the legality of blocking the left lane. If you can break the law by speeding, you can't get mad at me for blocking the left lane. How is one more legal, or justifiable, than the other?

- I see that my abrasive personality, combined with my combative stance against speeders, has pissed off more than one person on this site. I say good. I love you for being a Redskins fan, but slow down. Instead of getting caught up in battling me because I'm an asshole, I ask you to address the purpose of this thread and give me one, ONE rational reason why you need to go 95 mph on the road?

If you're going 85 I really don't care all that much. But if you're going 95, bring it, start actually debating this. Why do you need to go that fast?

Has anyone here said they regularly travel 95mph and defended as much?

Speeding is not more legal or justifiable than becoming a highway vigilante like yourself. So I guess we're all just hypocrites then.