If Texas Secedes, they won't be "America's Team"

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Secession at its core is really just about the freedom of disassociation. In the same way a battered wife has every right to dissolve the relationship with her abusive husband, states should have the right to dissolve their relationship with the federal government.

If one person in a relationship tries to leave but the other forcibly makes them stay, what sort of relationship is that, really?

Put a dirty white wifebeater on Uncle Sam then because there would be no way any state is leaving this union peacefully.


Blood was shed to get in, and blood will be shed to get out. Blood In, Blood Out, just like my favorite Benjamin Bratt movie.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

Put a dirty white wifebeater on Uncle Sam then because there would be no way any state is leaving this union peacefully.


Blood was shed to get in, and blood will be shed to get out. Blood In, Blood Out, just like my favorite Benjamin Bratt movie.

Well, not exactly. Blood was shed to get free of England certainly, but the Founders looked at their states as their own countries. They didn't shed blood to swear allegiance to a massive leviathan of a federal government with no way out. In their eyes, the United States of America was plural, not singular. You're right about the second part though -- Lincoln made it clear that if anyone tried to leave, he'd send the army in to kill those who tried.

It's funny how Lincoln is held up as some sort of god because of this.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Well, not exactly. Blood was shed to get free of England certainly, but the Founders looked at their states as their own countries. They didn't shed blood to swear allegiance to a massive leviathan of a federal government with no way out. In their eyes, the United States of America was plural, not singular. You're right about the second part though -- Lincoln made it clear that if anyone tried to leave, he'd send the army in to kill those who tried.

It's funny how Lincoln is held up as some sort of god because of this.

Sssshhhh. You can't ever talk about how the civil war and Lincoln actually destroyed what our founding fathers founded. It's not the accepted version of history.