Mark Sanchez at 13th?

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I have a simple answer for this, and I dare you to counter my point without: writing a long ass paragraph, take the approach that your opinion is fact, and mention "sources" without actually mentioning them.

Right now there is talk of the team getting Mark Sanchez, well this is how we would get Mark Sanchez and what it would result:

Mark Sanchez = Trading Up = Giving up #13 in '09, a later round pick '09, and/or round pick in '10. Giving up draft picks in '09, including the #13, and possibly a pick in '10 = no Michael Oher or Brian Orakpo, no possibility of trading down, and going into '10 down one draft pick.

So by you telling me that we need Mark Sanchez to replace Jason Campbell, you are telling me that you are willing to risk losing all of these draft picks for the sake of addressing the "QB" position, which would in turn result in not being able to address the DE, LB, RT, and any other position of need. If we are not addressing these other position, then logic tells me that you think Jason Campbell is the only problem.

Oh and are you by any chance Dan Snyder?

What sources have i ever claimed to have? I dont have inside sources. I'm just a fan.

As to your "logic" to say i think Campbell is the only problem, completely ignores the explanation i gave. I'll requote it:

QB is a position of concern in 2009, and likely (for one reason or another) to be a position of extreme need in 2010. It needs to be evaluated and prioritized along with OL, DE, LB, WR, RB and nickleback. The evaluation needs to compare the specific players we have with the specific players we are able to acquire, what players will be available next year, the risks involved if an draftee doesnt work out, the risks involved in "doing nothing" to address each position, and so on.

your "logic" would mean if I said we should trade up to draft Jason Smith, it would mean I thought it was the teams ONLY need, and we were ignoring the others? No, it would just mean that I thought Jason Smith was so head and shoulders above both what we have on this team, and above his peers in the draft, that he was worth trading up to get, even if it meant making fewer improvements in other areas. It wouldnt mean i felt OT was the teams only need.

Feel free to disagree with me, and express your opinion, but dont assert i have opinions which i have not expressed, especially when theyre that outlandish.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

QB is a position of concern in 2009, and likely (for one reason or another) to be a position of extreme need in 2010. It needs to be evaluated and prioritized along with OL, DE, LB, WR, RB and nickleback. The evaluation needs to compare the specific players we have with the specific players we are able to acquire, what players will be available next year, the risks involved if an draftee doesnt work out, the risks involved in "doing nothing" to address each position, and so on.

See, this is where Schneed comes out of the dark to rip you for not understanding contract negotiation structure and stuff. The assumption that we won't have Campbell by anything other than our own discretion isn't worth responding to. It's true that his contract ends, but he's not going anywhere unless we move in another direction.

The problem with the rest of this is that all those other positions are needs because we are really old there. We're not old at QB, and thusly, it should be prioritized much, much lower in the draft. We have a 27 year old QB and a 26 year old QB behind him (Colt's age on opening day). We won't need to "get younger" for the next 5-7 years, or at least until Colt's contract expires after 2011.

So to say QB is a position of need in the draft is ignoring the obvious elephant in the room: either we end up with three different QBs shy of their prime years, or we cut a young guy to make room for a younger guy.

Meanwhile, every one of the positions left unadressed ages one year every year. Across the board, teams age very, very fast. We tend to piss away our draft picks anyway. Here's the thing: if you are tired of mediocrity, but you support a trade up for Mark Sanchez, I think you either have no idea what mediocrity is, or you are being hypocritical. On the oldest team in the NFC, pushing 27 year old starters, at any position, to the side of the road is not progress.

Regardless of what you think of Campbell, correct me if I'm wrong, our number one need is youth, across the board. Spend the pick somewhere to get significantly younger. That's how you break mediocrity's spell, not this "guess in the dark on QBs" crap.

[GMScud]

I just had a realization: I respect Jerry Jones more than The Little Danny. At least Jones has the balls and integrity to label himself as the general manager. He doesn't operate through some puppet personnel VP.

I'm annoyed. I'm headed out to have some drinks with my girlfriend and enjoy this awesome weather.

Happy Friday everyone.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I just had a realization: I respect Jerry Jones more than The Little Danny. At least Jones has the balls and integrity to label himself as the general manager. He doesn't operate through some puppet personnel VP.

I'm annoyed. I'm headed out to have some drinks with my girlfriend and enjoy this awesome weather.

Happy Friday everyone.

you too man I got a concert I am playing in oh and Ron Dayne won a heisman too so did Chris Weinke

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I just had a realization: I respect Jerry Jones more than The Little Danny. At least Jones has the balls and integrity to label himself as the general manager. He doesn't operate through some puppet personnel VP.

I'm annoyed. I'm headed out to have some drinks with my girlfriend and enjoy this awesome weather.

Happy Friday everyone.

Back atcha GMScud. I think I'll take a couple of fishing poles and head out to Nagshead with my girlfriend tomorrow. The weather is beautiful and Snyder is either pulling off one hell of a smokescreen or he's the biggest idiot this side of the Mississippi. Either way, it's going to be a beautiful day tomorrow!

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

your "logic" would mean if I said we should trade up to draft Jason Smith, it would mean I thought it was the teams ONLY need, and we were ignoring the others? No, it would just mean that I thought Jason Smith was so head and shoulders above both what we have on this team, and above his peers in the draft, that he was worth trading up to get, even if it meant making fewer improvements in other areas. It wouldnt mean i felt OT was the teams only need.

Feel free to disagree with me, and express your opinion, but dont assert i have opinions which i have not expressed, especially when theyre that outlandish.

Well given the fact that a lot of people tend to disagree with your posts, I would say that it is safe to say that your opinions are outlandish.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Well given the fact that a lot of people tend to disagree with your posts, I would say that it is safe to say that your opinions are outlandish.

Oh man good stuff here...