Worst 5 Moves of Snyder era?

[SFREDSKIN]

Stubblefield
Deion
Trotter
Spurrier
Pierce

By the way, how many SB's has Marty won and how many has JG? That's ridiculous that you have hiring Gibbs as one of the worst moves. Hiring Gibbs was the best move, it restored integrity.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Stubblefield
Deion
Trotter
Spurrier
Pierce

By the way, how many SB's has Marty won and how many has JG? That's ridiculous that you have hiring Gibbs as one of the worst moves. Hiring Gibbs was the best move, it restored integrity.

Stubblefield was a terrible move but his signing happened in 1998, pre-Danny. Can't blame Danny for that one.

1) Pierce
2) Casserly
3) Gator-skins
4) Archuleta
5) Duckett

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Stubblefield
Deion
Trotter
Spurrier
Pierce

By the way, how many SB's has Marty won and how many has JG? That's ridiculous that you have hiring Gibbs as one of the worst moves. Hiring Gibbs was the best move, it restored integrity.

Yeah I remember the end of that 03 season and the team had just 100% quit on Spurrier. And I also remember the first part of the 01 season when the team wouldn't play for Marty cause he was such a dick. Gibbs 2 made his fair share of mistakes but I've never seen a Gibbs team qiut.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Stubblefield
Deion
Trotter
Spurrier
Pierce

By the way, how many SB's has Marty won and how many has JG? That's ridiculous that you have hiring Gibbs as one of the worst moves. Hiring Gibbs was the best move, it restored integrity.

I completely agree with that, which is why that move is also on my best list but for all the integrity restoring he did, when he left the team was no better than it was when he arrived in many areas.

We didn't have a clear QB picture when he arrived, nor when he left.
We didn't have good WR depth when he arrived, nor when he left.
We didn't have consistent game changers when he arrived, nor when he left.

In many ways, the Gibbs years-since he was on a 4 year plan-set us back a few years because he left us with an old, bloated roster and not much to build with.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I completely agree with that, which is why that move is also on my best list but for all the integrity restoring he did, when he left the team was no better than it was when he arrived in many areas.

We didn't have a clear QB picture when he arrived, nor when he left.
We didn't have good WR depth when he arrived, nor when he left.
We didn't have consistent game changers when he arrived, nor when he left.

In many ways, the Gibbs years-since he was on a 4 year plan-set us back a few years because he left us with an old, bloated roster and not much to build with.

Dude, you're making no sense. You can't have it listed as both a best move and a worst move at the same time, they are mutually exclusive categories. It kind of completely tanks the credibility of your entire list.

[Beemnseven]

-- Showing Brian Mitchell the door.

-- Attempting to weasel out of the contract he signed with Marty to get more control.

-- Firing Marty.

-- All of the boneheaded personnel moves, I've listed them before, no point in rehashing them.

-- Ignoring the model of success of all the championship teams: Recognizing the importance of the draft, and stockpiling as many picks as possible.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Dude, you're making no sense. You can't have it listed as both a best move and a worst move at the same time, they are mutually exclusive categories. It kind of completely tanks the credibility of your entire list.

Here's how it makes sense. Gibbs did all of the intangible things our franchise needed when he came back. He 'restored our integrity' after the Spurrier debacle, he was able to guide us through the Sean Taylor tragedy like probably no other coach could, he put us back in the category of respectability rather than the laughingstock we had become.

For all good that he did, our roster is overall weighted down by his failed agenda to win in 4 years. During his time we traded more picks than any other time in this decade. During his time we acquired more free agents young and old than any other time this decade. During his time we didn't tangibly improve (unquestioned long term starters) at any key positions other than S, RB and TE. See my previous post about the number of question marks that were here when he came in and the same question marks remained when he left.

Clear opportunities were missed badly at 3 key positions. 3 specific moves could have dramatically altered our roster and we'd be in a much different place. For example-
-Acquiring Brunell and not seeing what he had in Ramsey for at least one season. We've seen that Ramsey didn't get it done as an NFL starter, but if Gibbs saw that after the first year he could have acquired Drew Brees as a FA.
-Not letting Pierce go. Obvious miss here, no need to belabor this point. As good as Fletcher is and has been for us, we are in a position THIS YEAR where we are already having to consider his replacement.
-Not letting Smoot go. The domino effect of this one is, to me, the biggest gaffe in the Gibbs era. Smoot leaves which left a void at CB, which we filled with Carlos Rogers. In picking Rogers, we bypassed Shawn Merriman and Demarcus Ware. Both became elite pass rushers and perennial All Pros at a position (pass rusher) that we've been trying to fill for 20 years. Not to mention we have to face Ware twice a year makes it all the more dramatic.

To ignore those facts is ignoring the overall impact of the Gibbs return.

[Giantone]

He really has only made two mistakes............

1)Not letting football people do their job..........

2)Listening to anything Vinnie Cerroto has to say.

...............that is only an outsiders opinion.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Giantone

He really has only made two mistakes............

1)Not letting football people do their job..........

2)Listening to anything Vinnie Cerroto has to say.

...............that is only an outsiders opinion.

It may be an outsider's opinion but it is a good one.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by Giantone

He really has only made two mistakes............

1)Not letting football people do their job..........

2)Listening to anything Vinnie Cerroto has to say.

...............that is only an outsiders opinion.

That's about right.

[redskinjim]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Stubblefield
Deion
Trotter
Spurrier
Pierce

By the way, how many SB's has Marty won and how many has JG? That's ridiculous that you have hiring Gibbs as one of the worst moves. Hiring Gibbs was the best move, it restored integrity.

well done but put spurrier first.that was a very embarrasing time to be a redskin when he did the duck qwacking thing on monday night football and they replayed it over and over in slow motion after getting stomped by the giants