Wanted: Playmakers

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by diehard

Moss? Check.
Cooley? Check.
Randle El (now known as Santonio Holmes)? Check.
Jason Campbell? Hmmm.

I too am warming up to the idea that if we want to get to the promise land it may take drafting Sanchez or probably giving Colt Brennan a shot. Why? It's no secret that Campbell has had a lot of instablility as far a OCs go but, look at his game. Even at Auburn his impressive W-L record and national championship title was helped much by a strong defense and running game (Cadillac Williams and Ronnie Brown). This reveals Campbell strengths. He does a great job making safe reads and takes very few chances with the football. The Skins have had a top 5 defense for most of the years he's started and a very effective running game so, we can afford to be more risky in that regard. Also, even though we have had great defenses, we are not one that have a lot of takeaways, or points off of, as the 2000 Ravens did. And before you say the WR corps was the culprit, Moss, Randle El, and Cooley are better than Cutler's Brandon Marshall, Eddie Royal, and Daniel Graham/Tony Sheffler. I believe Cutler's big numbers are a result of his ability to let it fly (watch what he does in CHI under his new OC and former FA bust Brandon Lloyd and REL-like Devin Hester). Something Campbell doesn't risk doing often. That's why Jay Cutler or a Brett Farve will have a eye-popping number of INTs to go with thier impressive TD stats. Who's to argue that Farve isn't a winner? A franchise QB? A team can surely win with Jason Campbell or a Trent Dilfer but, you have to make sure other attributes of the team make up for the lack of risk taking.

I'd have to strongly disagree here. Marshall is better than Moss. Is there really even an argument over that? Royal is hands down already a better wr than ARE. He had some monster games as a rookie. I don't know his numbers but he was near 100 catches. ARE has never even caught 60. Cooley is better than Tony S. But TE's don't have the same impact as top flight wr's do.

[diehard]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I'd have to strongly disagree here. Marshall is better than Moss. Is there really even an argument over that? Royal is hands down already a better wr than ARE. He had some monster games as a rookie. I don't know his numbers but he was near 100 catches. ARE has never even caught 60. Cooley is better than Tony S. But TE's don't have the same impact as top flight wr's do.

Compare Devin Thomas to Eddie Royal... both were rookie WRs last year.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by diehard

Compare Devin Thomas to Eddie Royal... both were rookies last year.

exception that proves the rule, Compare Ryan Leaf to Peyton Manning both were rookies at the same time.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by diehard

Compare Devin Thomas to Eddie Royal... both were rookie WRs last year.

In 2008 Royal caught 91 balls for 980 yards and 5 scores.

In 7 seasons Randle El has never achieved that many catches, those yards, or that many scores in one season.

Rookie or not, Royal wins hands-down.

[diehard]

Originally Posted by Lotus

In 2008 Royal caught 91 balls for 980 yards and 5 scores.

In 7 seasons Randle El has never achieved that many catches, those yards, or that many scores in one season.

Rookie or not, Royal wins hands-down.

Let's see Royal's production with Orton? No defending Marshall huh? He'll have his fair share of balls behind bars sooner or later.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by diehard

Let's see Royal's production with Orton? No defending Marshall huh? He'll have his fair share of balls behind bars sooner or later.

You argued that Randle El was more of a playmaker than Royal. You were wrong in this argument. That is all. No reason for me to mention Marshall.

[diehard]

Originally Posted by Lotus

You argued that Randle El was more of a playmaker than Royal. You were wrong in this argument. That is all. No reason for me to mention Marshall.

My point was (not mentioning Royal) was that Campbell is hindering Moss, Cooley, and REls (and Devin Thomas') productivity. No?