Boldin a Redskin?

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I like Mack a lot, but I've seen more than one draft guru with Max Unger listed as the better prospect at center. I personally disagree and think Mack is #1 at his position, but my point is that's not a unanimous notion.

Taking him at #13 is way too high, he won't be there when we pick in the 3rd round, so the only way this is possible is if we trade down. And of course that requires the existence of a another team who wants someone bad enough to cough up picks and move up to 13.

I personally think Rabach is more of a liability than an asset at this point, and I would love Mack in the B&G, but I think the chances are remote.

Trading down is probably the easier way to draft Mack but I reckon we could get very crafty and trade up from the 3rd to get him. Personally I prefer this option if it doesn't include giving up future picks. In fact I'd happily see our 3rd, 5th and 6th packaged for Alex Mack. Keep the 13th overall though so we get a legit impact player like...u guessed it REY REY!

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Trading down is probably the easier way to draft Mack but I reckon we could get very crafty and trade up from the 3rd to get him. Personally I prefer this option if it doesn't include giving up future picks. In fact I'd happily see our 3rd, 5th and 6th packaged for Alex Mack. Keep the 13th overall though so we get a legit impact player like...u guessed it REY REY!

I'm assuming you mean a 3rd, 5th, and 6th to move up to the 2nd to get Mack. Which would leave us with a 1st, 2nd, and nothing else until the 7th.

Does anyone know if Mack is even on our radar? There is pretty good center depth out there, with Max Unger, Eric Wood, Antoine Caldwell, Jonathan Luigs, and AQ Shipley. I know Mack is damn good, but I'm not so sure we should package 3 picks for him.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I'm assuming you mean a 3rd, 5th, and 6th to move up to the 2nd to get Mack. Which would leave us with a 1st, 2nd, and nothing else until the 7th.

Does anyone know if Mack is even on our radar? There is pretty good center depth out there, with Max Unger, Eric Wood, Antoine Caldwell, Jonathan Luigs, and AQ Shipley. I know Mack is damn good, but I'm not so sure we should package 3 picks for him.

That's exactly what I mean and my thinking is a couple of immediate impact guys are far better than another handful of projects, which it seems to me Vinny tends to draft beyond the 1st or 2nd round. Looking at last year's draft we basically have a single guy who played well enough to hold a position and Horton was one of our last picks. The other 8(?) picks were projects to one extent or another. I know we need more depth at several positions but really what is a dominant C/G worth in the big picture? I think trading up would be worth it. And your point GM about other talent is well taken; however from the experts' consensus I believe only Mack, Unger and Wood are considered legit rookie starters...and I bet they all go in the 2nd. I would just prefer Mack that's all.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Trading down is probably the easier way to draft Mack but I reckon we could get very crafty and trade up from the 3rd to get him. Personally I prefer this option if it doesn't include giving up future picks. In fact I'd happily see our 3rd, 5th and 6th packaged for Alex Mack. Keep the 13th overall though so we get a legit impact player like...u guessed it REY REY!

Ever since you brought up the very remote possibility of getting Rey AND Mack, I've had to tell myself to calm down. I would absolutely, totally, freak-out if that were to happen. I would not be able to contain myself for days and would probably drive everyone I know crazy with how the Redskins are going to be the Baddest MF***g team in the NFL!

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Ever since you brought up the very remote possibility of getting Rey AND Mack, I've had to tell myself to calm down. I would absolutely, totally, freak-out if that were to happen. I would not be able to contain myself for days and would probably drive everyone I know crazy with how the Redskins are going to be the Baddest MF***g team in the NFL!

Given what we have to work with, that would be a very good draft.

Of course, the problem there is the limited number of players which we would score. We would really not be adding any depth, a perennial Redskins problem. And we would still have OT issues. I'm not disagreeing with the draft strategy as much as I am lamenting the paltry number of picks which we have to work with.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Given what we have to work with, that would be a very good draft.

Of course, the problem there is the limited number of players which we would score. We would really not be adding any depth, a perennial Redskins problem. And we would still have OT issues. I'm not disagreeing with the draft strategy as much as I am lamenting the paltry number of picks which we have to work with.

I agree but unfortunately some of the starters we have are better suited for depth than starting positions.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I agree but unfortunately some of the starters we have are better suited for depth than starting positions.

Which brings us back to the point that we really shouldn't package multiple picks to move up and get anyone, Mack included. Any draft day trading for us should involve acquiring more picks, not shedding them. Unless we somehow think we're going to hit the June 1st lottery with FA. Sadly, that wouldn't surprise me.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Which brings us back to the point that we really shouldn't package multiple picks to move up and get anyone, Mack included. Any draft day trading for us should involve acquiring more picks, not shedding them. Unless we somehow think we're going to hit the June 1st lottery with FA. Sadly, that wouldn't surprise me.

Well another way of looking at it would be, are we going to get any starters the caliber of Mack with the later picks? I'm all for getting more picks but I doubt we would get a starter in the later rounds. Mack would probably start. If not right away, then very soon. It's possible we could get another Horton, but I would'nt put him on the same level as Mack. As much as I would like depth, I'm more concerned about fielding a starting team that can move the ball.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Well another way of looking at it would be, are we going to get any starters the caliber of Mack with the later picks? I'm all for getting more picks but I doubt we would get a starter in the later rounds. Mack would probably start. If not right away, then very soon. It's possible we could get another Horton, but I would'nt put him on the same level as Mack. As much as I would like depth, I'm more concerned about fielding a starting team that can move the ball.

I'm with you on the starting team argument. But if someone gets hurt, and you have no depth, then you wish you had had more picks. Plus who'd have thunk that Horton, nearly Mr. Irrelevant, would be such a great rookie starter? I know that it's rare to have such happen, though.

I suppose I'm not taking a side in this argument because I see the merits of both sides. It'd be great to have just a couple of real quality players. It'd be great to have many rookies in camp, too.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Well another way of looking at it would be, are we going to get any starters the caliber of Mack with the later picks? I'm all for getting more picks but I doubt we would get a starter in the later rounds. Mack would probably start. If not right away, then very soon. It's possible we could get another Horton, but I would'nt put him on the same level as Mack. As much as I would like depth, I'm more concerned about fielding a starting team that can move the ball.

No, but pre-draft, you can argue that about any 1st/2nd rounder as compared to later round players. I already made my argument with regard to the way the team currently feels about Rabach, and you even acknowledged that Mack may not even start right away for us. Then you say you're primarily concerned with fielding a starting team that can move the ball. Our coaches/FO feel that Rabach is entrenched at the center position, so drafting Mack seems really unlikely. And even if we did, he may not be an immediate starter.

Look, I understand what you're getting at, but given our needs at DE, OT, and LB, I think packaging what little picks we have and putting our eggs in the basket of one player who plays a position that isn't even in our top 3 need spots... well you see what I mean.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Which brings us back to the point that we really shouldn't package multiple picks to move up and get anyone, Mack included. Any draft day trading for us should involve acquiring more picks, not shedding them. Unless we somehow think we're going to hit the June 1st lottery with FA. Sadly, that wouldn't surprise me.

You make an excellent point, GMScud. It may be that, given our many needs, coming out of the draft with just two studs, however studly they may be, is a luxury that we cannot afford.

I am correct that the June 1st secondary free agent date has been eliminated from the NFL calendar? I could be wrong but it seems to me that I read it somewhere.

Oops - edit - I meant a question - Am I correct...

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Lotus

You make an excellent point, GMScud. It may be that, given our many needs, coming out of the draft with just two studs, however studly they may be, is a luxury that we cannot afford.
I am correct that the June 1st secondary free agent date has been eliminated from the NFL calendar? I could be wrong but it seems to me that I read it somewhere.

I would be tickled to death to come out of this draft with 2 studs. Especially with one being on the o-line and one being a LB. After we draft, you may be too.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Given what we have to work with, that would be a very good draft.

Of course, the problem there is the limited number of players which we would score. We would really not be adding any depth, a perennial Redskins problem. And we would still have OT issues. I'm not disagreeing with the draft strategy as much as I am lamenting the paltry number of picks which we have to work with.

Excellent point Lotus. Our biggest depth issues are @ OT and LB i think (along w/ center if we acknowledge Rabach as a liability. Seems like the FO is foregoing a high rated OT in this draft cuz none are likely to fall to us. Well, i've been saying it will be totally irresponsible for us to enter the season w/ our current set of OTs - we need to add a legit guy. I think the FO needs to bite the bullet and pay a guy like Levi Jones (likely to be cut after the draft) enough money to sign w/ us...let Jansen, Heyer, new guy compete for the starting job and keep the other two as backups knowing damn well there will be injuries regardless of the who the starter is. This is common sense IMHO...so I doubt it goes down this way.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Excellent point Lotus. Our biggest depth issues are @ OT and LB i think (along w/ center if we acknowledge Rabach as a liability. Seems like the FO is foregoing a high rated OT in this draft cuz none are likely to fall to us. Well, i've been saying it will be totally irresponsible for us to enter the season w/ our current set of OTs - we need to add a legit guy. I think the FO needs to bite the bullet and pay a guy like Levi Jones (likely to be cut after the draft) enough money to sign w/ us...let Jansen, Heyer, new guy compete for the starting job and keep the other two as backups knowing damn well there will be injuries regardless of the who the starter is. This is common sense IMHO...so I doubt it goes down this way.

To me the thing about tackle is this:
1) We really need an LDE upgrade but we can stick Daniels/Wynn in there if we have to
2) We need a SLB upgrade because MW has lost a step (sorry 53Fan!), but I think it will work out so that we can bring MW back, as he is not a FA hot commodity
3) but at tackle we have no such fall-backs. We have what we had last year and that was demonstrably unsatisfactory. So to me, tackle is the biggest need.

I wonder how healthy Levi Jones is?

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Lotus

To me the thing about tackle is this:
1) We really need an LDE upgrade but we can stick Daniels/Wynn in there if we have to
2) We need a SLB upgrade because MW has lost a step (sorry 53Fan!), but I think it will work out so that we can bring MW back, as he is not a FA hot commodity
3) but at tackle we have no such fall-backs. We have what we had last year and that was demonstrably unsatisfactory. So to me, tackle is the biggest need.

I wonder how healthy Levi Jones is?

As much as it sucks to say I doubt Marcus is coming back. If the FO thought he would re-sign this bust Thomas wouldn't have been signed, unless Thomas is meant to backup Rocky at WLB since Khary Campbell probably isn't coming back either...just thought of that.

Anyway I'd luv to get Marcus back even if we draft Rey Rey.

Levi hasn't been healthy for the last two seasons but @ 29 i doubt he's done for good. He's extremely talented and I bet he won't command top dollar cuz there's so much OT talent in the draft (most teams will have what they need). Our FO would be wise to sign him IMO...think of it this way he'd be a legit backup to Samuels if the guy gets nicked up again. Right now we basically have nothing to backup Samuels which again brings me back to the FO being irresponsible w/ our OT situation.