Reasons for drafting Sanchez

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Amen. I said this in another thread, but on some level I'm really trying to convince myself that drafting Sanchez might not be such a bad idea after all.

And you make a good point about Jason's demeanor. I think we all have to ask ourselves this question: What are the actual chances that Jason is destined to be an absolute superstar headed for Super Bowl MVP awards and a spot in the Hall of Fame? Doesn't someone like that have to show us more than what we've seen? Even when things around him aren't perfect, like the best O-line in the league and Pro Bowl wideouts? The truly great quarterbacks have something that makes everyone around them better.

Could it be that maybe, just maybe, Jason Campbell isn't that quarterback, and that he may never be?

While we are applying that absurd standard to our quarterbacks, running them out of town for not being generationally elite when, really, maybe three guys per generation actually are, teams are winning superbowls with guys like Brad Johnson, or Eli Manning, or Dilfer, or Brady and Roethlesberger in their first go rounds, or getting there with reclamation projects like Kurt Warner or Rich Gannon.

Does anyone here think Jason is going to the hall of fame? That he'll ever even be top 10 yet alone elite? That his well-discussed flaws can be coached away or overcome through perserverence? I don't, but if there's any team that should have the historical perspective to recognize that you don't necessarily need elite quarterback talent to be successful, it's us right?

In my opinion, Sanchez, like Cutler, would be an upgrade over Campbell. But that's an irrelevant standard as well. The question is not is there some theoretical quarterback better than the one we have? Instead, we have to ask is someone like Sanchez better than Campbell and the 2 or 3 other critical players you forego the right to acquire.

I just think when you invest as much as we already have in Campbell, both in terms of time and draft picks, you have to see things to their conclusion.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

While we are applying that absurd standard to our quarterbacks, running them out of town for not being generationally elite when, really, maybe three guys per generation actually are, teams are winning superbowls with guys like Brad Johnson, or Eli Manning, or Dilfer, or Brady and Roethlesberger in their first go rounds, or getting there with reclamation projects like Kurt Warner or Rich Gannon.

Does anyone here think Jason is going to the hall of fame? That he'll ever even be top 10 yet alone elite? That his well-discussed flaws can be coached away or overcome through perserverence? I don't, but if there's any team that should have the historical perspective to recognize that you don't necessarily need elite quarterback talent to be successful, it's us right?

In my opinion, Sanchez, like Cutler, would be an upgrade over Campbell. But that's an irrelevant standard as well. The question is not is there some theoretical quarterback better than the one we have? Instead, we have to ask is someone like Sanchez better than Campbell and the 2 or 3 other critical players you forego the right to acquire.

I just think when you invest as much as we already have in Campbell, both in terms of time and draft picks, you have to see things to their conclusion.

Nice post...I said some similar things about the true scarcity of elite QBs some time ago but the discussion just got minced up into semantics and whatnot.

...I still hope JC is our QB for the future and Danny is forced to eat humble pie. And just the same I'm very curious to see all the reaction when Jason has a better season than both Cutler (on his new team w/o all the talent around him and in his new division that has some serious defenses) and Sanchez, wherever he might land.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Nice post...I said some similar things about the true scarcity of elite QBs some time ago but the discussion just got minced up into semantics and whatnot.

...I still hope JC is our QB for the future and Danny is forced to eat humble pie. And just the same I'm very curious to see all the reaction when Jason has a better season than both Cutler (on his new team w/o all the talent around him and in his new division that has some serious defenses) and Sanchez, wherever he might land.

Heck yes!

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

While we are applying that absurd standard to our quarterbacks, running them out of town for not being generationally elite when, really, maybe three guys per generation actually are, teams are winning superbowls with guys like Brad Johnson, or Eli Manning, or Dilfer, or Brady and Roethlesberger in their first go rounds, or getting there with reclamation projects like Kurt Warner or Rich Gannon.

Does anyone here think Jason is going to the hall of fame? That he'll ever even be top 10 yet alone elite? That his well-discussed flaws can be coached away or overcome through perserverence? I don't, but if there's any team that should have the historical perspective to recognize that you don't necessarily need elite quarterback talent to be successful, it's us right?

In my opinion, Sanchez, like Cutler, would be an upgrade over Campbell. But that's an irrelevant standard as well. The question is not is there some theoretical quarterback better than the one we have? Instead, we have to ask is someone like Sanchez better than Campbell and the 2 or 3 other critical players you forego the right to acquire.

I just think when you invest as much as we already have in Campbell, both in terms of time and draft picks, you have to see things to their conclusion.

I think the conclusion has come and gone. Prior to last yr people were complaining about his slow throwing motion, that he can't read defenses, and does not throw the ball prior to the WR making his cut. He's had what 5 yrs and started 4. Didn't Eli come out the same yr? I understand Eli has had the same offense for several yrs running but JC should be showing some improvement in his ability to read defenses. Improvement in the speed at which he releases the ball. Improvement in his abiblity to get the ball out prior to the WR making his cut so the ball will be where it needs to be when the WR gets there with out having to reach behind to get it or stop. I don't care what system he was in each one he needed to be able to go through all his reads and he's still slow at doing that. 5 yrs. How much longer do you want? 1 more yr? Maybe resign him and see what he has after 3 yrs in the same system?

The things I have mentioned we should have seen improvement from yr to yr. 5yrs later and he still has the same issues. Oh wait he did cut down on his interceptions. He's basically a decent QB not a great QB. or at the least a great backup.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I think the conclusion has come and gone. Prior to last yr people were complaining about his slow throwing motion, that he can't read defenses, and does not throw the ball prior to the WR making his cut. He's had what 5 yrs and started 4. Didn't Eli come out the same yr? I understand Eli has had the same offense for several yrs running but JC should be showing some improvement in his ability to read defenses. Improvement in the speed at which he releases the ball. Improvement in his abiblity to get the ball out prior to the WR making his cut so the ball will be where it needs to be when the WR gets there with out having to reach behind to get it or stop. I don't care what system he was in each one he needed to be able to go through all his reads and he's still slow at doing that. 5 yrs. How much longer do you want? 1 more yr? Maybe resign him and see what he has after 3 yrs in the same system?

The things I have mentioned we should have seen improvement from yr to yr. 5yrs later and he still has the same issues. Oh wait he did cut down on his interceptions. He's basically a decent QB not a great QB. or at the least a great backup.

He's started 2 and a half years with one year cut short by injury.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

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I think the conclusion has come and gone. Prior to last yr people were complaining about his slow throwing motion, that he can't read defenses, and does not throw the ball prior to the WR making his cut. He's had what 5 yrs and started 4. Didn't Eli come out the same yr? I understand Eli has had the same offense for several yrs running but JC should be showing some improvement in his ability to read defenses. Improvement in the speed at which he releases the ball. Improvement in his abiblity to get the ball out prior to the WR making his cut so the ball will be where it needs to be when the WR gets there with out having to reach behind to get it or stop. I don't care what system he was in each one he needed to be able to go through all his reads and he's still slow at doing that. 5 yrs. How much longer do you want? 1 more yr? Maybe resign him and see what he has after 3 yrs in the same system?

The things I have mentioned we should have seen improvement from yr to yr. 5yrs later and he still has the same issues. Oh wait he did cut down on his interceptions. He's basically a decent QB not a great QB or a great backup.

With all respect, you've got things scrambled. Eli came out in 2004, JC came out in 2005. You talk about 5 years but 5 years ago JC was a junior at Auburn. He sat behind Brunell for some time. Last year was his first full year as a starter. JC has seriously improved when given the chance. His improvement is better than you credit and his NFL time line is shorter than you suggest.

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I think the conclusion has come and gone. Prior to last yr people were complaining about his slow throwing motion, that he can't read defenses, and does not throw the ball prior to the WR making his cut. He's had what 5 yrs and started 4. Didn't Eli come out the same yr? I understand Eli has had the same offense for several yrs running but JC should be showing some improvement in his ability to read defenses. Improvement in the speed at which he releases the ball. Improvement in his abiblity to get the ball out prior to the WR making his cut so the ball will be where it needs to be when the WR gets there with out having to reach behind to get it or stop. I don't care what system he was in each one he needed to be able to go through all his reads and he's still slow at doing that. 5 yrs. How much longer do you want? 1 more yr? Maybe resign him and see what he has after 3 yrs in the same system?

The things I have mentioned we should have seen improvement from yr to yr. 5yrs later and he still has the same issues. Oh wait he did cut down on his interceptions. He's basically a decent QB not a great QB. or at the least a great backup.

What is that conclusion? That Campbell's good when the rest of the team is good but not good enough to overcome breakdowns and injuries on the offensive line and receiving corpse? That he's effective when given time to throw but not good enough to win games by himself? That sounds an awful lot like the previous superbowl winning quarterbacks I mentioned.

If you are suggesting that Campbell has already crossed the bust line you are dreaming. If you are suggesting that it's worth mortgaging the future of the team for the chance to acquire a QB who might possibly not have Campbell's flaws (but who of course might have his own) you are, imo, as misguided as our owner.

Again, it's not enough just to criticize Campbell or compare him to other guys. You have to argue how it makes sense to give up what it will take to replace him, and nobody has been able to do that effectively yet.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

What is that conclusion? That Campbell's good when the rest of the team is good but not good enough to overcome breakdowns and injuries on the offensive line and receiving corpse? That he's effective when given time to throw but not good enough to win games by himself? That sounds an awful lot like the previous superbowl winning quarterbacks I mentioned.

If you are suggesting that Campbell has already crossed the bust line you are dreaming. If you are suggesting that it's worth mortgaging the future of the team for the chance to acquire a QB who might possibly not have Campbell's flaws (but who of course might have his own) you are, imo, as misguided as our owner.

Again, it's not enough just to criticize Campbell or compare him to other guys. You have to argue how it makes sense to give up what it will take to replace him, and nobody has been able to do that effectively yet.

A Freudian Slip? Sometimes our receivers do play like corpses.



For the record, I don't believe it's time to give up on Campbell -- and it could very well be that he hasn't had enough time to reach his full potential. And no, he doesn't have to be a Hall of Famer to be effective for us.

In my mind, I'm just trying to find acceptance for what I really don't want to have happen.