Meet the Beast: Brian Orakpo

[SmootSmack]

A few thoughts:

-The interest in Sanchez was legit, but they weren't going to trade up any higher than 8th to the Jaguars and they were relatively stingy in what they were going to give up. Plus, the deal would have had to have been coupled with a Campbell trade (or possibly someone else) for another 2nd or 3rd round pick

-A bit surprised that Orakpo fell, though not entirely (I had in my mock to the Skins a couple of weeks ago). His stock seemed to be falling recently through no fault of his own really. But this was the guy Vinny has wanted for a long time. He was definitely the driving force behind this pick. At the last minute I thought they might pick Cushing (he's another guy I know they liked), but I'm glad they went with Orakpo (Matty, sorry about the Maualuga text-my USC guy was messing with me)

-It is kind of funny though how we put so much focus on the dinner and private meetings they had with Sanchez, yet when a few of us pointed out the same exact stuff was happening with Orakpo...it was ignored.

-As for the pick itself, I think it's a good one. The knee issues obviously are something to monitor closely, but he has the ability to do all the things we envisioned for Jason Taylor (and he's a decade younger). He'll be exciting to watch.

[BrudLee]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

A few thoughts:

-The interest in Sanchez was legit, but they weren't going to trade up any higher than 8th to the Jaguars and they were relatively stingy in what they were going to give up. Plus, the deal would have had to have been coupled with a Campbell trade (or possibly someone else) for another 2nd or 3rd round pick

-A bit surprised that Orakpo fell, though not entirely (I had in my mock to the Skins a couple of weeks ago). His stock seemed to be falling recently through no fault of his own really. But this was the guy Vinny has wanted for a long time. He was definitely the driving force behind this pick. At the last minute I thought they might pick Cushing (he's another guy I know they liked), but I'm glad they went with Orakpo (Matty, sorry about the Maualuga text-my USC guy was messing with me)

-It is kind of funny though how we put so much focus on the dinner and private meetings they had with Sanchez, yet when a few of us pointed out the same exact stuff was happening with Orakpo...it was ignored.

-As for the pick itself, I think it's a good one. The knee issues obviously are something to monitor closely, but he has the ability to do all the things we envisioned for Jason Taylor (and he's a decade younger). He'll be exciting to watch.

One thing that has been overlooked in this flirtation with Sanchez is that Sanchez's agent released the details from that dinner meeting, and the restaurant also publicized it. I'm sure the Redskins interest in him was genuine, but it was overblown because of those two extra sources touting the meeting.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

A few thoughts:

-The interest in Sanchez was legit, but they weren't going to trade up any higher than 8th to the Jaguars and they were relatively stingy in what they were going to give up. Plus, the deal would have had to have been coupled with a Campbell trade (or possibly someone else) for another 2nd or 3rd round pick

-A bit surprised that Orakpo fell, though not entirely (I had in my mock to the Skins a couple of weeks ago). His stock seemed to be falling recently through no fault of his own really. But this was the guy Vinny has wanted for a long time. He was definitely the driving force behind this pick. At the last minute I thought they might pick Cushing (he's another guy I know they liked), but I'm glad they went with Orakpo (Matty, sorry about the Maualuga text-my USC guy was messing with me)

-It is kind of funny though how we put so much focus on the dinner and private meetings they had with Sanchez, yet when a few of us pointed out the same exact stuff was happening with Orakpo...it was ignored.

-As for the pick itself, I think it's a good one. The knee issues obviously are something to monitor closely, but he has the ability to do all the things we envisioned for Jason Taylor (and he's a decade younger). He'll be exciting to watch.

So it wasn't really a clever smokescreen designed to get the player we really wanted.

I still maintain that it was a relatively cheap price to pay for the Jets to move up to #5 -- switch spots in the first, give up their 2nd and a few players most of us have never heard of? That wasn't as pricey as I thought it would be.

And those Browns -- they move down a total of 4 picks in the first round to the Bucs and Eagles and all they get are two 6th round picks in return? Just doesn't make sense.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

So it wasn't really a clever smokescreen designed to get the player we really wanted.

I still maintain that it was a relatively cheap price to pay for the Jets to move up to #5 -- switch spots in the first, give up their 2nd and a few players most of us have never heard of? That wasn't as pricey as I thought it would be.

And those Browns -- they move down a total of 4 picks in the first round to the Bucs and Eagles and all they get are two 6th round picks in return? Just doesn't make sense.

Many teams inquired about moving up for Sanchez as part of due diligence.

Given that, as you say, the price to move up was relatively cheap, then the Skins were not very serious about moving up for Sanchez.

The FO has clearly stated that they wanted Orakpo all along. VC said they gave him a top 5 grade.

So the Sanchez stuff was still a smokescreen. We were not as "smitten" as everyone claimed.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

So it wasn't really a clever smokescreen designed to get the player we really wanted.

I still maintain that it was a relatively cheap price to pay for the Jets to move up to #5 -- switch spots in the first, give up their 2nd and a few players most of us have never heard of? That wasn't as pricey as I thought it would be.

And those Browns -- they move down a total of 4 picks in the first round to the Bucs and Eagles and all they get are two 6th round picks in return? Just doesn't make sense.

I don't know that any real smokescreen was in play with Sanchez, in my opinion. I know that Orakpo has been their true top choice for a while, and Vinny and co. had been going around saying "He's too good. No way he drops to us." Maybe his rep as a talent evaluator scared off teams ahead of him? And I also know that we should be happy that a) we had no 2nd round pick that we may have offered to move up to get Sanchez, and b) Cerrato is one guy who wasn't as keen as others in the organization on moving up to get Sanchez, this was Zorn and Snyder driven.

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I don't know that any real smokescreen was in play with Sanchez, in my opinion. I know that Orakpo has been their true top choice for a while, and Vinny and co. had been going around saying "He's too good. No way he drops to us." Maybe his rep as a talent evaluator scared off teams ahead of him? And I also know that we should be happy that a) we had no 2nd round pick that we may have offered to move up to get Sanchez, and b) Cerrato is one guy who wasn't as keen as others in the organization on moving up to get Sanchez, this was Zorn and Snyder driven.

Zorn wanted Sanchez, as well?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

A few thoughts:

-The interest in Sanchez was legit, but they weren't going to trade up any higher than 8th to the Jaguars and they were relatively stingy in what they were going to give up. Plus, the deal would have had to have been coupled with a Campbell trade (or possibly someone else) for another 2nd or 3rd round pick

-A bit surprised that Orakpo fell, though not entirely (I had in my mock to the Skins a couple of weeks ago). His stock seemed to be falling recently through no fault of his own really. But this was the guy Vinny has wanted for a long time. He was definitely the driving force behind this pick. At the last minute I thought they might pick Cushing (he's another guy I know they liked), but I'm glad they went with Orakpo (Matty, sorry about the Maualuga text-my USC guy was messing with me)

-It is kind of funny though how we put so much focus on the dinner and private meetings they had with Sanchez, yet when a few of us pointed out the same exact stuff was happening with Orakpo...it was ignored.

-As for the pick itself, I think it's a good one. The knee issues obviously are something to monitor closely, but he has the ability to do all the things we envisioned for Jason Taylor (and he's a decade younger). He'll be exciting to watch.

You know that QB isn't the same as every other position. The fact that the FO was even thinking about it kind of makes you really wonder. I'm really looking for JC and the young guys to take off this year.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

You know that QB isn't the same as every other position. The fact that the FO was even thinking about it kind of makes you really wonder. I'm really looking for JC and the young guys to take off this year.

It made me wonder too, but the team never tried anything with Sanchez. Had Sanchez been there at #13, we would have traded with the Jets. I'm glad the team didn't have to trade up to get Orakpo.