Undrafted Rookies Signed

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

No now see there in lies the problem. You guys hanging out at the bar and drinking and after the half time show you guys gave up on the team knowing full well you didn't care who played the second half cause JC, Portis, ARE, Moss, Taylor, Springs, Smoot, and all your first stingers were off the field.

See some of us like to look at the up and coming prospects.

Excuse me? Two facts you need to know: I don't watch the games at bars. And in the preseason I watch the whole game, but ESPECIALLY the second half, because I know what Portis can do but I need to learn more about the 3rd stringers.

Let's go back to where this discussion started: Portis is, hands-down, the best blocking back in football. I don't say that as a homer, I say that because it is true. How about if you admit your mistake and move on?

[SBXVII]

Oh and I guess I made a mistake considering he has 2 seasons under his belt.

[Redskin Jim]

Betts is on the wrong side of 30, and not the surest of ball carriers. Rock is a solid KR and ST captain. I like the guy alot but he has shown himself to be ineffective in the rushing game. I'm not trying to step on anybody's toes here just suggesting that the team needs to have a capable backup to Portis in order to reduce the every day wear and tear on CP, and God forbid, shoulder the load if CP were to go down hurt. PS I'm not suggesting that Portis' replacement is out there somewhere in free agency right now, just simply saying Mason looked very hungry last year, why not bring him for camp...

[SBXVII]

I don't know Mason had 4.8 yrds rushing avg in preseason and 7.0 passing yrds avg.

I thought he did better then Rock as a RB. Rock reminds me of the TTB. Two steps forward and 5 back.

[MTK]

I have no problem bringing him back to be a camp body, but to think he would have a realistic chance at beating out Betts or Rock is a pipe dream.

[Redskin Jim]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I have no problem bringing him back to be a camp body, but to think he would have a realistic chance at beating out Betts or Rock is a pipe dream.

Fair enough. I do realize the odds of Mason usurping Betts or Rock are very long. At the very least I would like for him or any of the other FA RBs pushing these guys for their jobs. I want Betts and Rock to solidly beat them out for their jobs, So in my little corner of Redskins universe I will believe we have the best person available for that position on the team.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Redskin Jim

Fair enough. I do realize the odds of Mason usurping Betts or Rock are very long. At the very least I would like for him or any of the other FA RBs pushing these guys for their jobs. I want Betts and Rock to solidly beat them out for their jobs, So in my little corner of Redskins universe I will believe we have the best person available for that position on the team.

You won't get that. See Betts and Rock are the second coming of Riggo. Everyone forgets that Betts likes to fumble the ball periodically. Everyone forgets Rock likes to dance in the back field and lose yrds until he hits the 30 or 40 yrd one of the game then he's done. The only thing Rock is good for is KR. Hell he was not even PR. That's how bad he is. One duty. All he does. How many other KR's get their team to the 30 yrd line consistantly? A lot. How many times did Rock take it to the house? or past the 50? Maybe once past the 50 and maybe one td. How about Hester?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Redskin Jim

Fair enough. I do realize the odds of Mason usurping Betts or Rock are very long. At the very least I would like for him or any of the other FA RBs pushing these guys for their jobs. I want Betts and Rock to solidly beat them out for their jobs, So in my little corner of Redskins universe I will believe we have the best person available for that position on the team.

In reality though Betts' and Rock's jobs really aren't up for grabs. So while there may be the appearance of a "competition", guys like Mason are brought in to simply carry the load in the preseason to not risk the guys that are locks to make the roster.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

In reality though Betts' and Rock's jobs really aren't up for grabs. So while there may be the appearance of a "competition", guys like Mason are brought in to simply carry the load in the preseason to not risk the guys that are locks to make the roster.

Completely understood. I think what we are trying to say though is we could do better then Betts and Rock. Maybe it's not Mason. Fine. But we could do a hell of a lot better then Betts and Rock.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Completely understood. I think what we are trying to say though is we could do better then Betts and Rock. Maybe it's not Mason. Fine. But we could do a hell of a lot better then Betts and Rock.

Sure, but are there better options sitting out there in street clothes right now? Doubt it.

We could certainly do a lot worse than Betts and Rock. I'll never get why some are so intent on pushing these guys out.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Completely understood. I think what we are trying to say though is we could do better then Betts and Rock. Maybe it's not Mason. Fine. But we could do a hell of a lot better then Betts and Rock.

In terms of what we pay them and how they perform, I think they are both a great value. Could we do better? Sure. There are probably several No. 2 backs out there we could get with better talent. Would we pay them more? Yup. Would their talent make up for their lack of knowledge of the system and the teammates - probably not.

Betts and Rock are pretty typical back-ups. I don't think either would be a starter anywhere else (maybe Betts on a team with no RB's). Sure there's probably 3 or 4 teams with a significantly better stable - but that would be the exception not the rule. Also, who would we cut to keep a "developmental" RB?

On this team, the RB's are the least of my concerns. It's a stable position with a good/very good starter and good/competent back-ups.

[SBXVII]

Rock had 7.4 yrds rushing yrds avg against and 4.0 passing yrds avg. against second stringers. Numbers are similar.

[CRedskinsRule]

Hey don't hate the Babe!!!

[freddyg12]

I thought I saw that the kid, Brown I think, from Wyoming went undrafted. He sounded like a good guy to grab. Kiper liked him as a 3rd down back/returner.

Don't hate on Betts & Rock. Both are solid. I know Betts has his fumbling issues, but he still deserves more carries. Rock is vital to spec. teams & contrary to what's been posted here, he does a good job on kick returns. He always gets what he can getting north -south w/out trying to dance his way, he just lacks breakaway speed.

[SmootSmack]

2007 Leading Preseason Rusher

Thomas Clayton

2006 Leading Preseason Rusher

Brandon Jacobs and Quincy Wilson

We should bring in Clayton, Wilson, and Mason and let them duke it out this summer.