Grade the Redskins Draft!

[Number44]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I know, not grading the off-season here. Just giving the draft a C. I give Orakpo and Barnes both A's. Glenn a B-, Henson and Mitchell Ds, and Mitchell a C+. I give more weight to the early picks because they are higher picks so they (the team) should hit on those. So somehow that averages out to a C,

Not to single you out, as this seems to be the consensus here, but I really think we need to evaluate the weight we are giving to the various picks. We had a 1st, a 3rd, and 5,6,7,7. The 1st rounder was in the upper half of the round, at #13. So many posters seem to be evaluating this draft as if all of the picks each carry the same weight. To me, that 1st round pick has to be weighted at 75-80% of total grade, at a minimum. The 3rd rounder is another 10-15%. If we grade those 2 at an A, the total grade would be a B at a minimum, and that would be ONLY if all 4 of the late picks are given a zero.

I grade this draft an A, and it is an easy call. A B was guaranteed when we got Orakpo, IMO. I was happy with the Barnes pick, so the A was earned at that point. Anything the late rounders do for us will just be icing on the cake, as is always the case.

Sorry, but I don't care that our late round picks had no media hype. I'm not ready to enshrine Duke Robinson in the Hall of Fame just yet, either. He and the other OLs we passed on were also passed on over and over by every single team in the league until the late rounds. Maybe, just maybe, the NFL people in the know don't rate them as highly as some of us on the outside.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I think he's talking about Edwin Williams, the C from Maryland we just signed. UDFA=Undrafted....

oh, heh... I'm a dumbass, forgot he was williams too

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

The upgrades to the offense came last year. It's up to Zorn and company to get those guys up to speed to contribute this year. And of course the continued development of Campbell.

Agreed, and not to compare unlike players, but for those bitching about us not taking a lineman in the 5th or later, we took one in the 3rd last year and did he even get a snap?

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Yes. It's an insidious super-secret plan by the Stonecutters to get rid of Zorn and replace him with Steve Guttenberg.

C'mon. If Snyder was that down on Zorn, he would have fired him before the draft. Serioulsy, you think Snyder cares? He fired Marty after one season, you think he'd wait on Zorn? Please.

Exactly. If he wasn't sold on Zorn he would have immediately cut the cord. Snyder may be prone to some blunders, but he knows a west-coast system takes time to become productive.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by bigant

when campbell leaves us via free agency, who the hell will be the quarterback next year? and i can,t blame him at all,we tried to get another quarterback in here three times during the off-season...

So is Campbell going to be in a rush to learn another new system potentially?

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

You completely missed the point - Danny didnt tank the draft - he significantly improved the strongest area of our team - the defense. Whomever takes over as our HC next year will have one heck of a defense.

As far as when does Snyder care about the fans? the only reason Jim Fassel isnt our Head Coach right now is fan reaction. Snyders #1 priority is packing the stadium with fans - he obviously feared that wouldnt happen with Fassel as our HC.

The stadium would remain packed. Message board posters do not even come close to making up a fan majority, hell I'd venture to say that plenty of fans don't know much about Fassell. There's been enough to keep fans out of the seats, say oh, losing a lot, and the seats stay sold. And for those that don't attend, they've always got Craigslist and StubHub, which was shown plenty last year and in an exaggerated fashion on one prime time game.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

You completely missed the point - Danny didnt tank the draft - he significantly improved the strongest area of our team - the defense. Whomever takes over as our HC next year will have one heck of a defense.

As far as when does Snyder care about the fans? the only reason Jim Fassel isnt our Head Coach right now is fan reaction. Snyders #1 priority is packing the stadium with fans - he obviously feared that wouldnt happen with Fassel as our HC.

That Fassel thing is just flat out wrong.

And if Snyder's #1 priority is packing the stadium with fans, why wouldn't he have taken more steps in the draft to improve the offense? You say "barring a miracle," 2009 will be the last season for Zorn and Campbell. You also say that Danny's direction in this draft is basically his concession that the offense and Zorn have no chance for success.

Okay then. So let me ask you, how does Danny shrugging his shoulders at offensive improvement do anything to fill the seats?? How does another frustrating below average offensive year, another coaching change, and another quarterback change to do anything to fill the seats?? Paintrain is right- you're contradicting yourself.

We were 8-8 last year in the league's toughest division. We significantly improved the defense this offseason to where if the offense has an exact repeat of last year, we should still win one or two more games. It's hard to imagine the offense going backwards in year two. 9 or 10 wins this year isn't going to get Zorn fired. And if the offense improves, given the defense, this team could win 11 or 12.

Making a very good defense appreciably better and allowing the offensive system to stick and improve in year two will fill the seats. It's the organization's constant flux and erratic behavior that annoy the fan base and threaten Danny's stadium filling agenda.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

How do I contradict myself? – I specifically stated why I gave the draft a D. If I was allowed more than 20 minutes of internet time at work per day, I would give you all sorts of criticisms of Orakpo – don’t get me wrong – he’ll likely be a great player, but everyone has weaknesses, and his coverage skills are his primary weakness.

Unless your work day ends at 10a, there is no way you spend only 20 minutes per day on the internet at work. I spend more time than that just reading your posts

How many calls came in – According to Vinny Cerratos press conference, they had 2 offers to trade back – in those 90 seconds. Obviously, those offers weren’t enticing enough to accept. what did they have to lose by using their entire allotment of time? Perhaps other teams would make better offers or one of the two teams who had already made offers would sweeten the pot?

I agree they could have spent more time, but they spend weeks and months leading up to this day discussing possible trade scenarios with teams below them. So they had a pretty good idea of what kind of calls they were going to get

And again, I did not accuse Snyder of “tanking” a draft – “Tanking” would involve deliberately making stupid picks. That’s not what happened here. For the most part, the skins got great players at a great value. If the skins were going to stay at 13, then taking Orakpo was a no-brainer. However, by failing to explore offers to trade down (allowing them to get a starting lineman AND a starting/rotational pass-rusher, the team essentially sealed both Zorn and Campbell’s fates. Baring a miracle, neither will be here in 2010. That’s why I gave the draft a D. We might have gotten great players, but by failing to address the offensive line, we’ve all but ensured another overhaul in 2010. This franchise is in dire need of stability. Instead, we’ve created a top 3 defense that will once again be shacked by a horrible, ineffective offense that cant score touchdowns.

Great players at great value...yet it's obvious Snyder is setting Zorn up to fail??

[cochise]

Maybe the FO was trying to pull off a "Horton" again. They should be so lucky. Only time will tell. But History teaches us this group has no clue how to run an orginization. If Miami can go from 1-15 to 11-5 in the span of 1 year when the only changes they made were the FO personnel, wat does that tell you?

[cochise]

"Great players at great value...yet it's obvious Snyder is setting Zorn up to fail?? "

Totally agree and don't forget Campbell. Seems likehe has it out for him.

[MTK]

Zoom, right over your head.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by cochise

Maybe the FO was trying to pull off a "Horton" again. They should be so lucky. Only time will tell. But History teaches us this group has no clue how to run an orginization. If Miami can go from 1-15 to 11-5 in the span of 1 year when the only changes they made were the FO personnel, wat does that tell you?

There were more changes than just the FO. Chad Pennington ring a bell? Jake Long maybe?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by cochise

"Great players at great value...yet it's obvious Snyder is setting Zorn up to fail?? "

Totally agree and don't forget Campbell. Seems likehe has it out for him.

What do you agree with? You're agreeing with BHA, I take it. Because I definitely don't agree that Snyder or Cerrato or any of them are trying to set up Zorn and Campbell to fail.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by GMScud

There were more changes than just the FO. Chad Pennington ring a bell? Jake Long maybe?

Well, Pennington was not really much of an upgrade over Cleo Lemon. <sarcasm font off>

[over the mountain]

I gave it a C.

I can only really comment on Orakpo and Barnes. the other guys I admit i have never seen play before and i dont feel like grading them based off some 2 sentence scouting report blurb (like other people here) from crazyeddiesdraftreport.com'on.

honestly, i follow football pretty hard core but have any of you all actually watched our 5th and 7th rounders play before? should i watch a youtube clip, read the comments then cut and paste them here as my own?

sorry for my negative snippyness, i need a smoke, but honestly there are alot of people on here talking like they knew who our late round picks were before we drafted them.