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[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Do you believe everything you read?

Sarcasm as a rebuttle???

Faith can be a dangerous thing.

I'm not disagreeing, but why do you think so?

I don't see any harm in not being sure what to believe when it comes to God. I have a hard time believing that if he does indeed exist, he would think any less of someone questioning his existence since there is no undeniable proof of his existence in the first place.

There is nothing that says you shouldn't "question" in the bible. In fact, it encourages it to better your faith. I've personally been toying with the notion that we all go to heaven and the bible is used as a guideline to keep us on the straight and narrow. View your relationship with your kids as that of one with you as the child and God as your father...when you do that, how can you send your children to eternal damnation? But you try to set guidelines for your kids to follow by to be better people. Hell, we even lie to our kids about Santa Claus etc because of how we feel it will better them. So if we can do that, how come God can't give us a guideline / handbook to try to live by?
You also need to keep in mind, while we as a species are intelligent, we are not all knowing. To me, undeniable proof of His existance is the fact that we are here. The body is amazingly complex, beyond comprehension even. No soul / existance of a life has ever been found in a body, yet we know it to be there. That's just a human, what about the billions of other organisms on this planet, or the solar system, or beyond?
I think you might mistake anyone that speaks about God / religion as trying to push their views, and some do, I am not though. You can believe what you want. I know there is absolutely nothing I can say that will change your mind, or several others on this site. I am merely stating my belief and you can take it or leave it. It's a pleasure to have conversation sometimes, and the questions posed to each other can and do bring good discussion.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Sarcasm as a rebuttle???



I'm not disagreeing, but why do you think so?



There is nothing that says you shouldn't "question" in the bible. In fact, it encourages it to better your faith. I've personally been toying with the notion that we all go to heaven and the bible is used as a guideline to keep us on the straight and narrow. View your relationship with your kids as that of one with you as the child and God as your father...when you do that, how can you send your children to eternal damnation? But you try to set guidelines for your kids to follow by to be better people. Hell, we even lie to our kids about Santa Claus etc because of how we feel it will better them. So if we can do that, how come God can't give us a guideline / handbook to try to live by?
You also need to keep in mind, while we as a species are intelligent, we are not all knowing. To me, undeniable proof of His existance is the fact that we are here. The body is amazingly complex, beyond comprehension even. No soul / existance of a life has ever been found in a body, yet we know it to be there. That's just a human, what about the billions of other organisms on this planet, or the solar system, or beyond?
I think you might mistake anyone that speaks about God / religion as trying to push their views, and some do, I am not though. You can believe what you want. I know there is absolutely nothing I can say that will change your mind, or several others on this site. I am merely stating my belief and you can take it or leave it. It's a pleasure to have conversation sometimes, and the questions posed to each other can and do bring good discussion.

-No sarcasm it was a genuine question.

-Wars are waged over faith. Faith to any extreme is dangerous.

-I'm just stating my view as well, I'm not trying to be right or wrong. Just looking for good discussion as well.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

-No sarcasm it was a genuine question.

-Wars are waged over faith. Faith to any extreme is dangerous.

-I'm just stating my view as well, I'm not trying to be right or wrong. Just looking for good discussion as well.

Most wars are fought over money or land. Faith is just a tool for the leaders to manipulate the populace to fight.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

-No sarcasm it was a genuine question.

Good to know.

-Wars are waged over faith. Faith to any extreme is dangerous.

Respectfully disagree sir. The bible, for instance, is clear about not killing, so wars waged over "alleged faith" is human based, not faith based. God, nor Jesus has ever told us humans to kill in his name. Those that do it, are not following His path. A lot of people use this as an excuse to not look at the bible (not saying you are, just point out it's a common argument) but in actuality wars are waged due to PEOPLE not getting along with other PEOPLE. I can go to war with the USA and blame the Warpath for it...that doesn't make it so.

-I'm just stating my view as well, I'm not trying to be right or wrong. Just looking for good discussion as well.

Sounds good. So far so good. Hope this doesn't take a bad turn. Religion is always touchy.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Good to know.



Respectfully disagree sir. The bible, for instance, is clear about not killing, so wars waged over "alleged faith" is human based, not faith based. God, nor Jesus has ever told us humans to kill in his name. Those that do it, are not following His path. A lot of people use this as an excuse to not look at the bible (not saying you are, just point out it's a common argument) but in actuality wars are waged due to PEOPLE not getting along with other PEOPLE. I can go to war with the USA and blame the Warpath for it...that doesn't make it so.



Sounds good. So far so good. Hope this doesn't take a bad turn. Religion is always touchy.

Sorry buddy but the old Testament God and the New Testament God are like night and day, just ask a Jew. The Old Testament God told Joshua to go into Canaan and kill every last person including the women and children. To not kill is a bad King James translation. The original is Thou shall not murder. If killing was a sin then God would be a sinner. He killed people in the Bible himself.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

Sorry buddy but the old Testament God and the New Testament God are like night and day, just ask a Jew. The Old Testament God told Joshua to go into Canaan and kill every last person including the women and children. To not kill is a bad King James translation. The original is Thou shall not murder. If killing was a sin then God would be a sinner. He killed people in the Bible himself.

How many religions use SOLELY the old testament. We have been discussing Christians, and as such, the new testament comes into play. Although, you made a very good point. You made me think on that one.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by jsarno

How many religions use SOLELY the old testament. We have been discussing Christians, and as such, the new testament comes into play. Although, you made a very good point. You made me think on that one.

This kind of ignores that the Old Testament was around for atleast 2000 years before the New Testament was written, and that Jesus himself said that the he did not come to take away the Law (the Old Testament), or that God says he is never changing, in other words, he didn't just flip a switch at 200 AD when the NT was being put together and change the meanings. To murder is a sin, not to kill. And this difference has let lots of wars and blood be spilled "in the name of God". Muslims also refer to the OT, and the NT along with their Koran.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by jsarno

How many religions use SOLELY the old testament. We have been discussing Christians, and as such, the new testament comes into play. Although, you made a very good point. You made me think on that one.

The Jews that follow the Torah? I give up, how many?

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

The Jews that follow the Torah? I give up, how many?

I am not actually sure...I was posing the question. My guess of the religions I know, NONE of them do. They all have something else they follow, of which those speak of not killing...but I am still mulling over the first comments of the old testament...that was a good response.