Michael Vick in Talks to Become PETA Spokesman

[tdSKINS1]

He is a good QB who cares if he is different he still won games and was very successful

[Daseal]

tdSKINS, even Dan Reeves on NFL radio said that he didn't believe Mike Vick was an NFL quarterback. He's certainly an exciting player, but he is not an NFL caliber quarterback. His arm, while a rocket, is inaccurate and sporadic.

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by Daseal

tdSKINS, even Dan Reeves on NFL radio said that he didn't believe Mike Vick was an NFL quarterback. He's certainly an exciting player, but he is not an NFL caliber quarterback. His arm, while a rocket, is inaccurate and sporadic.

Really? Reeves said that? Interesting considering Vick got him the first playoff win at Lambeau in the history of the playoffs.

[tryfuhl]

It's just going to be some TV spots probably; no big deal. Part of him showing the whole remorse and growing up thing and a way for PETA to get their collective virtual penis bigger.

[hooskins]

Someone hit the nail on the head. Vick is suppose to be a QB not a freaking RB. I don't give a rats ass if he he can run, it doesn't matter all that much for a QB in the NFL. You just need to be mobile and avoid sacks. See Tom Brady.

Also if you wanna talk stats look at Vick's career completion percentage and tell me if it even near what a "decent" starter should have.

[takethecake]

If you look at his career stats, I don't think they reflect the ability he showed in his last year in the league. If you remember watching his games - his passing improved a whole lot, and people were talking about how mike was coming into his own. I think a whole lot of teams would be thrilled to have MV come and play for them, especially the Vikings (MV is like tarvaris, except he can run and throw better...).

I really have started to feel bad for him though. His crime, although it was bad, wasn't anything like killing people; he FINANCED the dog fighting. People need to stop calling him the antichrist and just accept that he did his time and he's ready to earn his way back into society. It really bothers me every time I see another ridiculous PETA request to put MV through more tedious classes/tests/public speaking. Enough is enough, just let the man play.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by takethecake

If you look at his career stats, I don't think they reflect the ability he showed in his last year in the league. If you remember watching his games - his passing improved a whole lot, and people were talking about how mike was coming into his own. I think a whole lot of teams would be thrilled to have MV come and play for them, especially the Vikings (MV is like tarvaris, except he can run and throw better...).

I really have started to feel bad for him though. His crime, although it was bad, wasn't anything like killing people; he FINANCED the dog fighting. People need to stop calling him the antichrist and just accept that he did his time and he's ready to earn his way back into society. It really bothers me every time I see another ridiculous PETA request to put MV through more tedious classes/tests/public speaking. Enough is enough, just let the man play.

So how exactly is he like Tavaris?

[MTK]

I hope he gets another shot somewhere. I think the guy took more heat than he deserved. It would be interesting to see him come back as a WR or RB, because I honestly think coming back to play QB is going to be a steep uphill climb. He would probably need to ride the pine for a while.

[tdSKINS1]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I hope he gets another shot somewhere. I think the guy took more heat than he deserved. It would be interesting to see him come back as a WR or RB, because I honestly think coming back to play QB is going to be a steep uphill climb. He would probably need to ride the pine for a while.

I agree I hope he gets another shot. I just don't see why its such a stretch for him to play QB. And yes his last season he was coming into his own and becoming a better pocket passer. Yes everyone he can throw the football. He would just look weird as a wideout I doubt he has even played that position since pee wees and running back? He's not big at all. QB is his spot and knowing Michael will push to play that position. The Viking would be the perfect spot for him. Tavaris Jackson sucks dick and Sage Rosenfels isn't much better. That be a perfect spot behind that O-line and Adrien Peterson at his side it be so nasty

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by tdSKINS1

And yes his last season he was coming into his own and becoming a better pocket passer.

Sorry, don't mean to single you out cause others have expressed this too, but this makes me laugh. Just cause some announcers said it, and Vick himself got on TV after 1 decent game and tried to silence doubters doesn't mean ANYONE should have listened.
His last season he had a 52.5 comp%. Which was the WORST of his full seasons and 1.2% LOWER than his career average. (for his full seasons, here is how he "progressed": 54.9%, 56.4%, 55.3%, 52.6%...this hardly suggests he was coming into his own)
His last season he threw for only 154.6 yards per game. Which is about 1 yard LOWER than his career average, and one of the worst in the NFL.
His last season he took 45 sacks losing 303 yards (which was a career worst in yards lost). That was 12 MORE than his previous season, and for a mobile QB, that's a lot.
People ONLY see his running stats, and they are eye popping! But they skew your view of him as a QB. He is one of the most overrated qb's in history. His throwing ability is horrible, and I would have to wager that he didn't get better in prison.

About Vick / Tavaris comparisons: (keep in mind that was not my analogy, it was someone elses, I do not think Jackson compares to Vick or vice versa, just playing devils advocate)
In Vicks last 2 seasons he was 15-16. Tavaris Jackson, for instance, was 10-7.
Vick has a passing TD once every 1.0597 games started. Tavaris has a passing TD once every 1.0526 games started. Remarkably similar.
Vick career comp% is a disgustingly low 53.8%. Tavaris career comp% is 58.4%.
That being said, I do not think Tavaris Jackson is a servicable QB in the NFL, and I would rather have Vick simply for the running factor, but nothing provided shows that Vick was on his way, or is someone that should be given a shot to be QB again. If he had a QB coach in prison, then more power to him, maybe he got better. But I highly doubt it.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Sorry, don't mean to single you out cause others have expressed this too, but this makes me laugh. Just cause some announcers said it, and Vick himself got on TV after 1 decent game and tried to silence doubters doesn't mean ANYONE should have listened.
His last season he had a 52.5 comp%. Which was the WORST of his full seasons and 1.2% LOWER than his career average. (for his full seasons, here is how he "progressed": 54.9%, 56.4%, 55.3%, 52.6%...this hardly suggests he was coming into his own)
His last season he threw for only 154.6 yards per game. Which is about 1 yard LOWER than his career average, and one of the worst in the NFL.
His last season he took 45 sacks losing 303 yards (which was a career worst in yards lost). That was 12 MORE than his previous season, and for a mobile QB, that's a lot.
People ONLY see his running stats, and they are eye popping! But they skew your view of him as a QB. He is one of the most overrated qb's in history. His throwing ability is horrible, and I would have to wager that he didn't get better in prison.

About Vick / Tavaris comparisons: (keep in mind that was not my analogy, it was someone elses, I do not think Jackson compares to Vick or vice versa, just playing devils advocate)
In Vicks last 2 seasons he was 15-16. Tavaris Jackson, for instance, was 10-7.
Vick has a passing TD once every 1.0597 games started. Tavaris has a passing TD once every 1.0526 games started. Remarkably similar.
Vick career comp% is a disgustingly low 53.8%. Tavaris career comp% is 58.4%.
That being said, I do not think Tavaris Jackson is a servicable QB in the NFL, and I would rather have Vick simply for the running factor, but nothing provided shows that Vick was on his way, or is someone that should be given a shot to be QB again. If he had a QB coach in prison, then more power to him, maybe he got better. But I highly doubt it.

Vick is the type of QB that you just can't judge him by passing stats. It's pointless. He's a pure 100% playmaker, as is Ben R. and McNabb. He'll never be Brady, Bress, Manning or Palmer. You bring up the W/L record but you fail to mention what happend to Atlanta when he wasn't on the playing field. The year he had a broken leg and missed time Atl. fell apart as they did the year before Matt Ryan came along. So that shows you his value. You also fail to mention that he got his team to the NFC Championship game and a divisional playoff game. To compare Jackson to Vick is pointless cause Vick is or was the better player. There was a reason Vick was the first pick in the draft and the highest paid player.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Vick is the type of QB that you just can't judge him by passing stats. It's pointless. He's a pure 100% playmaker, as is Ben R. and McNabb. He'll never be Brady, Bress, Manning or Palmer. You bring up the W/L record but you fail to mention what happend to Atlanta when he wasn't on the playing field. The year he had a broken leg and missed time Atl. fell apart as they did the year before Matt Ryan came along. So that shows you his value. You also fail to mention that he got his team to the NFC Championship game and a divisional playoff game. To compare Jackson to Vick is pointless cause Vick is or was the better player. There was a reason Vick was the first pick in the draft and the highest paid player.

You seem to use the word playmaker synonymously to the way I would use the word underachiever, but I'll grant that in Vick's younger days, he was athletic enough to take a 3 win team to a 7 win team by himself.

It didn't take very long for NFL defenses to figure out that if you keep him behind his big guys in the backfield, he's not very useful.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Vick is the type of QB that you just can't judge him by passing stats. It's pointless. He's a pure 100% playmaker, as is Ben R. and McNabb. He'll never be Brady, Bress, Manning or Palmer. You bring up the W/L record but you fail to mention what happend to Atlanta when he wasn't on the playing field. The year he had a broken leg and missed time Atl. fell apart as they did the year before Matt Ryan came along. So that shows you his value. You also fail to mention that he got his team to the NFC Championship game and a divisional playoff game. To compare Jackson to Vick is pointless cause Vick is or was the better player. There was a reason Vick was the first pick in the draft and the highest paid player.

Point was, he was not coming into his own. The stats don't lie man.
You bring up Ben R. and McNabb. Two Vicks don't equal 1 of either of them. To show passing stats is not pointless...it shows his lack of skills as a QB. I said it before, and I'll say it again, Vick is a faster Kordell Stewart. He's not worthy of being under center unless he's going to run the ball every time.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I hope he gets another shot somewhere. I think the guy took more heat than he deserved. It would be interesting to see him come back as a WR or RB, because I honestly think coming back to play QB is going to be a steep uphill climb. He would probably need to ride the pine for a while.

I could see him being a WR and/or KR/PR. He probably would've benefitted by becoming a WR or DB out of college. Still can't believe that he got the contract he did though, but yeah, he's done his time.

[MTK]

Vick is 6'0 215. That's already big enough to play RB. You don't think he could put on 5-10 more pounds if he needed to?