Skins look to improve WR-Sign Roydell Williams (could add Hackett)

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

I agree. It is very smart to not count on the draft picks and Thrash as starters/depth. None of them should be looked at as a contributor at this time.

I am wondering how close they are to giving up on Kelly. Does he even deserve a roster spot if this thing lingers into August and September?

I really can't stress how baffling this mentality is to me. You don't give up on young players after one injury. He has done the things necessary (microfracture surgery) to correct it and now give the kid a chance to perform in camp before ending his tenure with the team.

Some of you guys whine like little b*tches about not building thru the draft and trading away draft picks and blah blah blah but are so quick to pull the trigger on one of those draft picks after one season and one partial offseason. Amazing.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I really can't stress how baffling this mentality is to me. You don't give up on young players after one injury. He has done the things necessary (microfracture surgery) to correct it and now give the kid a chance to perform in camp before ending his tenure with the team.

Some of you guys whine like little b*tches about not building thru the draft and trading away draft picks and blah blah blah but are so quick to pull the trigger on one of those draft picks after one season and one partial offseason. Amazing.

It's just retarded.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I really can't stress how baffling this mentality is to me. You don't give up on young players after one injury. He has done the things necessary (microfracture surgery) to correct it and now give the kid a chance to perform in camp before ending his tenure with the team.

Some of you guys whine like little b*tches about not building thru the draft and trading away draft picks and blah blah blah but are so quick to pull the trigger on one of those draft picks after one season and one partial offseason. Amazing.

This isn't one injury. How many surgeries has he had on the same knee, is it two, three or more? (just with us, not counting college). It doesn't worry you that he has as many surgeries as catches? And I can see why you are baffled because you were unable to understand the point in the post even though you highlighted it. Let's try again, IF THIS LINGERS INTO AUGUST AND SEPTEMBER HOW LONG DOES HE DESERVE A ROSTER SPOT? That was the question.

Building through the draft is essential but picking guys who have major knee issues in college seems to be pretty stupid but we continue to do it. We did it with Rocky and he has proven that he can't play at his highest level for a whole season. Then we draft Kelly and all he has proven is that James Andrews will never get bored. I have not given up on Kelly but if he is a ghost in the pre-season again because of knee injuries, I say toss him or at least IR him (which was idiotic not to do last year).

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

This isn't one injury. How many surgeries has he had on the same knee, is it two, three or more? (just with us, not counting college). It doesn't worry you that he has as many surgeries as catches? And I can see why you are baffled because you were unable to understand the point in the post even though you highlighted it. Let's try again, IF THIS LINGERS INTO AUGUST AND SEPTEMBER HOW LONG DOES HE DESERVE A ROSTER SPOT? That was the question.

Building through the draft is essential but picking guys who have major knee issues in college seems to be pretty stupid but we continue to do it. We did it with Rocky and he has proven that he can't play at his highest level for a whole season. Then we draft Kelly and all he has proven is that James Andrews will never get bored. I have not given up on Kelly but if he is a ghost in the pre-season again because of knee injuries, I say toss him or at least IR him (which was idiotic not to do last year).

It's one injury. He hasn't injured the knee multiple times, it's been swelling and cartilage. He's had 2 surgeries on it (as a Redskin) and is recovering on schedule. If it lingers into August and September then depending on the projected recovery he deserves a roster spot until proven that he won't be able to contribute at any point during the season. Read the post immediately above your last one for his direct comments, not JLC speculation.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

It's one injury. He hasn't injured the knee multiple times, it's been swelling and cartilage. He's had 2 surgeries on it (as a Redskin) and is recovering on schedule. If it lingers into August and September then depending on the projected recovery he deserves a roster spot until proven that he won't be able to contribute at any point during the season. Read the post immediately above your last one for his direct comments, not JLC speculation.

Well I apologize if I am a little skeptical towards a guy who came to camp hurt, stayed hurt througout OTAs and camp, was hurt in the pre-season, catches his first ball and gets hurt, has had multiple surgeries on a knee that he blew out in college and is coming of micro fracture surgery (which was the athletic kiss of death a few years ago) then tells me that everything is on schedule.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

Well I apologize if I am a little skeptical towards a guy who came to camp hurt, stayed hurt througout OTAs and camp, was hurt in the pre-season, catches his first ball and gets hurt, has had multiple surgeries on a knee that he blew out in college and is coming of micro fracture surgery (which was the athletic kiss of death a few years ago) then tells me that everything is on schedule.

To my recollection he wasn't hurt last year until the 2nd week of training camp. I don't remember him being hurt in any of the minicamps or OTAs. I know he was out of NFL shape and failed the training run, as did Thomas, but I don't recall any injury.

Regardless, I guess it's just a different way of looking at things. I'd rather give him the benefit of the doubt in May based on everything coming from the player, coaches and team rather than speculate negatively that he is going to remain injured despite the evidence to the contrary.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

To my recollection he wasn't hurt last year until the 2nd week of training camp. I don't remember him being hurt in any of the minicamps or OTAs. I know he was out of NFL shape and failed the training run, as did Thomas, but I don't recall any injury.

Regardless, I guess it's just a different way of looking at things. I'd rather give him the benefit of the doubt in May based on everything coming from the player, coaches and team rather than speculate negatively that he is going to remain injured despite the evidence to the contrary.

If you listened to the Coaches and player you would have thought that no surgery was necessary after a wasted season since that was what Zorn and Kelly said in December. Then it turns out that he needs major surgery in February (albeit, they said it wasn't as bad as they thought when they were in there). I am curious how you say there is no evidence to the contrary? I would argue there is no evidence that he can be counted on to contribute.

Don't get me wrong, I want to see this guy healthy and on the field. He was one of the most productive receivers in college football but at this point, I really have no expectations for him.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

If you listened to the Coaches and player you would have thought that no surgery was necessary after a wasted season since that was what Zorn and Kelly said in December. Then it turns out that he needs major surgery in February (albeit, they said it wasn't as bad as they thought when they were in there). I am curious how you say there is no evidence to the contrary? I would argue there is no evidence that he can be counted on to contribute.

Don't get me wrong, I want to see this guy healthy and on the field. He was one of the most productive receivers in college football but at this point, I really have no expectations for him.

Microfracture is not considered major surgery. It's done on an out-patient basis and takes as little as 30 minutes to do.

I think people are making a much bigger deal about this surgery than it really is.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

To my recollection he wasn't hurt last year until the 2nd week of training camp. I don't remember him being hurt in any of the minicamps or OTAs. I know he was out of NFL shape and failed the training run, as did Thomas, but I don't recall any injury.

Regardless, I guess it's just a different way of looking at things. I'd rather give him the benefit of the doubt in May based on everything coming from the player, coaches and team rather than speculate negatively that he is going to remain injured despite the evidence to the contrary.

If my recollection serves me well I thought Kelly was not in anyones top choice due to him having injured a knee or both. He came to Preseason hoping he would not need knee surgery and it was after the second preseason game that team officials suggested he have the surgery. I think he would have rather not done it. Then he came back in like week 9 and played after our break. Although he was not utilized much he was basically a drone on the field.

All was supposedly going fine until all of a sudden he decided to have another surgery in Feb. Perhaps team officials suggested it again or he thought he needed it, but I think it was a shock to the media and fans who thought he was healthy. Yes it was not a seriouse as mentioned and I hope he comes back with a passion and lights it up so we can squelch some of the drama and let some of this camp fodder go, but no one knows until he hits camp as to how his knees will hold up. So the team is taking out some insurance. Good.

I just hope the team puts the best on the field and does not let people go who would help the team simply to save face and force Kelly to step up when he can't. I now every year we say this is the SB yr and some of us are delerious, but honestly I could see us going somewhere this yr. Our defensive line is 10 times better or should be, hopefully we have cohesiveness. Our secondary is a lot better with out Springs taking a roster spot and money to sit on the bench. We should have a much better pass rush. JC will have better knowledge of the offense and hopefully Zorn plays to JC's strengths. We have a second TE with a lot of talent who hopefully will step up and be part of our 2 TE sets. A better O-line, and a bigger one again hopefully if all works out well. A better back field and a ton of talent at WR.