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[MTK]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

If you listened to the Coaches and player you would have thought that no surgery was necessary after a wasted season since that was what Zorn and Kelly said in December. Then it turns out that he needs major surgery in February (albeit, they said it wasn't as bad as they thought when they were in there). I am curious how you say there is no evidence to the contrary? I would argue there is no evidence that he can be counted on to contribute.

Don't get me wrong, I want to see this guy healthy and on the field. He was one of the most productive receivers in college football but at this point, I really have no expectations for him.

Microfracture is not considered major surgery. It's done on an out-patient basis and takes as little as 30 minutes to do.

I think people are making a much bigger deal about this surgery than it really is.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Microfracture is not considered major surgery. It's done on an out-patient basis and takes as little as 30 minutes to do.

I think people are making a much bigger deal about this surgery than it really is.

Matt, I would agree if this was an isolated incident but I have to consider this guy's injury body of work.

Anyway, I have moved on from Kelly. I want to know how the coaches are going to use Thomas and Fred Davis and the guys brought in who will actually be on the field for us.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Microfracture is not considered major surgery. It's done on an out-patient basis and takes as little as 30 minutes to do.

I think people are making a much bigger deal about this surgery than it really is.

It's not "major" in that it requires hospital stay but it can be a real challenge to recover from. Slow going usually. Just a few years ago it was the last stop option before retirement because it was such a major thing to recover from. It sounds like they've rounded it out but let's not kid ourselves. Microfracture surgery is a big deal. In May? Not as much certainly though.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Microfracture is not considered major surgery. It's done on an out-patient basis and takes as little as 30 minutes to do.

I think people are making a much bigger deal about this surgery than it really is.

I think the people that are ready to drop him off the roster due to fear are a bit too quick to pull that trigger. However, most here are concerned about a surgery that CAN AND HAS ended a career. It doesn't sound like people are making too big a deal out of this as much as it is Kelly supporters making too little a deal about it. Any time you have a potentially career ending surgery, it IS a big deal.
I personally take the approach of giving the kid a chance. He has age on his side, so it doesn't hurt to wait 1 more year and see how it responds. If this is a problem 1 more time and he misses a large chunk of games, it's time to cut him loose and try again with someone else.

About cutting ARE (from a previous post), from a purely straight approach, he is not earning his money nor is he playing to the level we expected. Therefore he should be cut. However, I do not know his cap implications, and we may be stuck with him a little longer. How much more time does ARE need to show he deserved his big paycheck?

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Microfracture is not considered major surgery. It's done on an out-patient basis and takes as little as 30 minutes to do.

I think people are making a much bigger deal about this surgery than it really is.

I disagree. While the Microfracture surgical procedure is minimally invasive, it is not a good sign if an athlete needs it.
I work for the Houston Rockets and there is serious concern that T-Mac will not make it back. Even if he makes it back he will not be the player he was before the surgery.
Microfracture surgery at the moment is controversial because the success rate is just about 75% in athletes. For every Jason Kidd (success) there is a Chris Webber (failed) that had to retire.
One of the problem with this procedure is it promotes the regeneration of fibrocartilage, not Hyaline cartilage. Fibrocartilage is not as good mechanically as the original hyaline cartilage which is much denser and is able to withstand the demands of everyday activities. Therefore there is a high incidence symptom (pain) returning to the joint with in a year or two.
Cartilage issues in joints for an athlete is a degenerative conditions that only gets worse, not better over time.
If this kid is having this much trouble in his knee and he has barely played, it most likely get worse when he plays more.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

I disagree. While the Microfracture surgical procedure is minimally invasive, it is not a good sign if an athlete needs it.
I work for the Houston Rockets and there is serious concern that T-Mac will not make it back. Even if he makes it back he will not be the player he was before the surgery.
Microfracture surgery at the moment is controversial because the success rate is just about 75% in athletes. For every Jason Kidd (success) there is a Chris Webber (failed) that had to retire.
One of the problem with this procedure is it promotes the regeneration of fibrocartilage, not Hyaline cartilage. Fibrocartilage is not as good mechanically as the original hyaline cartilage which is much denser and is able to withstand the demands of everyday activities. Therefore there is a high incidence symptom (pain) returning to the joint with in a year or two.
Cartilage issues in joints for an athlete is a degenerative conditions that only gets worse, not better over time.
If this kid is having this much trouble in his knee and has barely played, it most likely get worse if he plays more.

The Houston Rockets, eh? That's pretty cool.

Not to hijack this, but you tell your Rockets that they damn well better roll over and let the Lakers beat them in this series. The last two years I went against the grain and picked the Rockets to win it all only to see them fizzle out in the first round, pretty much guaranteeing me last place in our office pool. Doing well in sports pools are kind of a big deal around here. So while I got some props for having the balls to pick the Rockets, I mostly got laughs for picking the Rockets (twice!). Not this year, no! This year I went chalk and took the Lakers...and now they're down 1-0 to Houston? Ugh

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The Houston Rockets, eh? That's pretty cool.

Not to hijack this, but you tell your Rockets that they damn well better roll over and let the Lakers beat them in this series. The last two years I went against the grain and picked the Rockets to win it all only to see them fizzle out in the first round, pretty much guaranteeing me last place in our office pool. Doing well in sports pools are kind of a big deal around here. So while I got some props for having the balls to pick the Rockets, I mostly got laughs for picking the Rockets (twice!). Not this year, no! This year I went chalk and took the Lakers...and now they're down 1-0 to Houston? Ugh

LOL!
Then I guess I feel better that you picked the Lakers this year.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The Houston Rockets, eh? That's pretty cool.

Not to hijack this, but you tell your Rockets that they damn well better roll over and let the Lakers beat them in this series. The last two years I went against the grain and picked the Rockets to win it all only to see them fizzle out in the first round, pretty much guaranteeing me last place in our office pool. Doing well in sports pools are kind of a big deal around here. So while I got some props for having the balls to pick the Rockets, I mostly got laughs for picking the Rockets (twice!). Not this year, no! This year I went chalk and took the Lakers...and now they're down 1-0 to Houston? Ugh

LOL.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

I disagree. While the Microfracture surgical procedure is minimally invasive, it is not a good sign if an athlete needs it.
I work for the Houston Rockets and there is serious concern that T-Mac will not make it back. Even if he makes it back he will not be the player he was before the surgery.
Microfracture surgery at the moment is controversial because the success rate is just about 75% in athletes. For every Jason Kidd (success) there is a Chris Webber (failed) that had to retire.
One of the problem with this procedure is it promotes the regeneration of fibrocartilage, not Hyaline cartilage. Fibrocartilage is not as good mechanically as the original hyaline cartilage which is much denser and is able to withstand the demands of everyday activities. Therefore there is a high incidence symptom (pain) returning to the joint with in a year or two.
Cartilage issues in joints for an athlete is a degenerative conditions that only gets worse, not better over time.
If this kid is having this much trouble in his knee and he has barely played, it most likely get worse when he plays more.

All I meant was this surgery is not the kiss of death some are making it out to be.

He's young, they didn't have to do the whole knee, so hopefully his chances of a full recovery are pretty high. We'll see.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

All I meant was this surgery is not the kiss of death some are making it out to be.

He's young, they didn't have to do the whole knee, so hopefully his chances of a full recovery are pretty high. We'll see.

I share your optimism, and I really think that healthy Malcolm Kelly could be a legit #1 for us at some point, but I just can't get past the fact that we ignored his pre-existing knee problems when we drafted him. Annoys the heck out of me.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I share your optimism, and I really think that healthy Malcolm Kelly could be a legit #1 for us at some point, but I just can't get past the fact that we ignored his pre-existing knee problems when we drafted him. Annoys the heck out of me.

I don't think they ignored his knee problems necessarily, they were well aware of what they were getting and the risks involved. It's just a case of risk vs. reward and they felt in the long run he will pay off. We'll see.

That said if he has another injury plagued year this year I'll be right there with you.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I don't think they ignored his knee problems necessarily, they were well aware of what they were getting and the risks involved. It's just a case of risk vs. reward and they felt in the long run he will pay off. We'll see.

That said if he has another injury plagued year this year I'll be right there with you.

Yeah, vinny said on skins nation last year that Kelly's knee issue existed at Oklahoma but that he still played well. I think the reaction some of us have to the FO's approach to this is because we often have few draft picks to gamble with. Sure last year we ended up w/10, but it still is a high round pick to gamble with when you continue to trade picks & your roster lacks depth.

I realize on the other hand that he wasn't our highest 2nd round pick & that they gained some picks that draft. So obviously they thought highly of his ability, but not so much that they wanted him before Thomas.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I share your optimism, and I really think that healthy Malcolm Kelly could be a legit #1 for us at some point, but I just can't get past the fact that we ignored his pre-existing knee problems when we drafted him. Annoys the heck out of me.

Knee injuries tend to be reocurring though a lot of the time even with the surgery. I hope this isn't a Taylor Jacobs type thing. The very fact that you mentioned how we ignored his knee trouble in drafting him also baffles me. Damn Caps are getting blanked at home. What a crappy way to end a fine season.