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[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Microfracture is not considered major surgery. It's done on an out-patient basis and takes as little as 30 minutes to do.

I think people are making a much bigger deal about this surgery than it really is.

I disagree. While the Microfracture surgical procedure is minimally invasive, it is not a good sign if an athlete needs it.
I work for the Houston Rockets and there is serious concern that T-Mac will not make it back. Even if he makes it back he will not be the player he was before the surgery.
Microfracture surgery at the moment is controversial because the success rate is just about 75% in athletes. For every Jason Kidd (success) there is a Chris Webber (failed) that had to retire.
One of the problem with this procedure is it promotes the regeneration of fibrocartilage, not Hyaline cartilage. Fibrocartilage is not as good mechanically as the original hyaline cartilage which is much denser and is able to withstand the demands of everyday activities. Therefore there is a high incidence symptom (pain) returning to the joint with in a year or two.
Cartilage issues in joints for an athlete is a degenerative conditions that only gets worse, not better over time.
If this kid is having this much trouble in his knee and he has barely played, it most likely get worse when he plays more.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

I disagree. While the Microfracture surgical procedure is minimally invasive, it is not a good sign if an athlete needs it.
I work for the Houston Rockets and there is serious concern that T-Mac will not make it back. Even if he makes it back he will not be the player he was before the surgery.
Microfracture surgery at the moment is controversial because the success rate is just about 75% in athletes. For every Jason Kidd (success) there is a Chris Webber (failed) that had to retire.
One of the problem with this procedure is it promotes the regeneration of fibrocartilage, not Hyaline cartilage. Fibrocartilage is not as good mechanically as the original hyaline cartilage which is much denser and is able to withstand the demands of everyday activities. Therefore there is a high incidence symptom (pain) returning to the joint with in a year or two.
Cartilage issues in joints for an athlete is a degenerative conditions that only gets worse, not better over time.
If this kid is having this much trouble in his knee and has barely played, it most likely get worse if he plays more.

The Houston Rockets, eh? That's pretty cool.

Not to hijack this, but you tell your Rockets that they damn well better roll over and let the Lakers beat them in this series. The last two years I went against the grain and picked the Rockets to win it all only to see them fizzle out in the first round, pretty much guaranteeing me last place in our office pool. Doing well in sports pools are kind of a big deal around here. So while I got some props for having the balls to pick the Rockets, I mostly got laughs for picking the Rockets (twice!). Not this year, no! This year I went chalk and took the Lakers...and now they're down 1-0 to Houston? Ugh

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The Houston Rockets, eh? That's pretty cool.

Not to hijack this, but you tell your Rockets that they damn well better roll over and let the Lakers beat them in this series. The last two years I went against the grain and picked the Rockets to win it all only to see them fizzle out in the first round, pretty much guaranteeing me last place in our office pool. Doing well in sports pools are kind of a big deal around here. So while I got some props for having the balls to pick the Rockets, I mostly got laughs for picking the Rockets (twice!). Not this year, no! This year I went chalk and took the Lakers...and now they're down 1-0 to Houston? Ugh

LOL!
Then I guess I feel better that you picked the Lakers this year.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The Houston Rockets, eh? That's pretty cool.

Not to hijack this, but you tell your Rockets that they damn well better roll over and let the Lakers beat them in this series. The last two years I went against the grain and picked the Rockets to win it all only to see them fizzle out in the first round, pretty much guaranteeing me last place in our office pool. Doing well in sports pools are kind of a big deal around here. So while I got some props for having the balls to pick the Rockets, I mostly got laughs for picking the Rockets (twice!). Not this year, no! This year I went chalk and took the Lakers...and now they're down 1-0 to Houston? Ugh

LOL.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

I disagree. While the Microfracture surgical procedure is minimally invasive, it is not a good sign if an athlete needs it.
I work for the Houston Rockets and there is serious concern that T-Mac will not make it back. Even if he makes it back he will not be the player he was before the surgery.
Microfracture surgery at the moment is controversial because the success rate is just about 75% in athletes. For every Jason Kidd (success) there is a Chris Webber (failed) that had to retire.
One of the problem with this procedure is it promotes the regeneration of fibrocartilage, not Hyaline cartilage. Fibrocartilage is not as good mechanically as the original hyaline cartilage which is much denser and is able to withstand the demands of everyday activities. Therefore there is a high incidence symptom (pain) returning to the joint with in a year or two.
Cartilage issues in joints for an athlete is a degenerative conditions that only gets worse, not better over time.
If this kid is having this much trouble in his knee and he has barely played, it most likely get worse when he plays more.

All I meant was this surgery is not the kiss of death some are making it out to be.

He's young, they didn't have to do the whole knee, so hopefully his chances of a full recovery are pretty high. We'll see.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

All I meant was this surgery is not the kiss of death some are making it out to be.

He's young, they didn't have to do the whole knee, so hopefully his chances of a full recovery are pretty high. We'll see.

I share your optimism, and I really think that healthy Malcolm Kelly could be a legit #1 for us at some point, but I just can't get past the fact that we ignored his pre-existing knee problems when we drafted him. Annoys the heck out of me.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I share your optimism, and I really think that healthy Malcolm Kelly could be a legit #1 for us at some point, but I just can't get past the fact that we ignored his pre-existing knee problems when we drafted him. Annoys the heck out of me.

I don't think they ignored his knee problems necessarily, they were well aware of what they were getting and the risks involved. It's just a case of risk vs. reward and they felt in the long run he will pay off. We'll see.

That said if he has another injury plagued year this year I'll be right there with you.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I don't think they ignored his knee problems necessarily, they were well aware of what they were getting and the risks involved. It's just a case of risk vs. reward and they felt in the long run he will pay off. We'll see.

That said if he has another injury plagued year this year I'll be right there with you.

Yeah, vinny said on skins nation last year that Kelly's knee issue existed at Oklahoma but that he still played well. I think the reaction some of us have to the FO's approach to this is because we often have few draft picks to gamble with. Sure last year we ended up w/10, but it still is a high round pick to gamble with when you continue to trade picks & your roster lacks depth.

I realize on the other hand that he wasn't our highest 2nd round pick & that they gained some picks that draft. So obviously they thought highly of his ability, but not so much that they wanted him before Thomas.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I share your optimism, and I really think that healthy Malcolm Kelly could be a legit #1 for us at some point, but I just can't get past the fact that we ignored his pre-existing knee problems when we drafted him. Annoys the heck out of me.

Knee injuries tend to be reocurring though a lot of the time even with the surgery. I hope this isn't a Taylor Jacobs type thing. The very fact that you mentioned how we ignored his knee trouble in drafting him also baffles me. Damn Caps are getting blanked at home. What a crappy way to end a fine season.