Greg Blache Defensive Scheme!!

[an23dy]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Why would our stats be of equal value if mine clearly answer the question at hand more directly?

I don't ask this as to say, "I'm right and your wrong", but while I think you bring some good points, I don't think your stats are backing what you think they are backing.

You don't understand. I'm trying to say your stats are arbitrary. You choose which stats you think are important, but if you're at the top in most stats then there's a reason for that and you've got a good defense no matter what nitpicking you may do. When it comes down to it, we played Philly twice, same number of drives, same opportunity/field/conditions and we beat em twice and our defense outplayed them twice. And if you don't think so then you didn't watch the same games as me.

Also, Tampa's defense isn't what it used to be and neither is Chicago's. By the end of the season Tampa's defense was getting torn apart. Tampa Bay had an easy schedule. I thought the NFC South was overrated and they played the AFC West and NFC North, which is probably as easy as possible. Chicago gave up almost 50 more yards a game than us and more than 3 points/game.

I would rank our defense about 5th. I think Pittsburgh, Baltimore, and Tennessee were better over the course of the year, but anybody else I think the Redskins were better than. The only reason others don't is because the Redskins defense doesn't get media attention because they haven't historically been a great defense and their fantasy football stats aren't that good because they don't get TD's and turnovers.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by an23dy

You don't understand. I'm trying to say your stats are arbitrary. You choose which stats you think are important, but if you're at the top in most stats then there's a reason for that and you've got a good defense no matter what nitpicking you may do. When it comes down to it, we played Philly twice, same number of drives, same opportunity/field/conditions and we beat em twice and our defense outplayed them twice. And if you don't think so then you didn't watch the same games as me.

Also, Tampa's defense isn't what it used to be and neither is Chicago's. By the end of the season Tampa's defense was getting torn apart. Tampa Bay had an easy schedule. I thought the NFC South was overrated and they played the AFC West and NFC North, which is probably as easy as possible. Chicago gave up almost 50 more yards a game than us and more than 3 points/game.

I would rank our defense about 5th. I think Pittsburgh, Baltimore, and Tennessee were better over the course of the year, but anybody else I think the Redskins were better than. The only reason others don't is because the Redskins defense doesn't get media attention because they haven't historically been a great defense and their fantasy football stats aren't that good because they don't get TD's and turnovers.

Alright, I understand. Nothing I'm doing is arbitrary, it's all quite straightforward, but you don't see it the same way. Gotcha.

See the problem with Philly vs. Washington determining who has the better defense is that: 1) if there's only two teams in the entire population, nothing can tell the difference between bad offense and good defense. You saying that our defense clearly outplayed their's might just be their offense getting clearly outplayed by ours, and 2) there's 14 games that you're just totally ignoring. Not arbitrarily, but as I said before, you aren't actually backing what you think you are backing. Because no one agrees with you that the other 14 games shouldn't be counted.

The Redskins were top ten in most stats, and are probably were a top ten defense when you get right down to it. But what if I say, and defend, them being the 12th best defense? There's nothing arbitrary about that, it's just a ranking based on evidence. Furthermore, there was such a huge, undeniable gap between us and the five "elite" defenses last year, that when you start to establish an NFL average defense from the 2008 season, it comes out somewhere around the 10th or 11th best team. Just because of the obscene quality of the defenses at the top of the list (obviously, the best in years). Again, nothing remotely arbitrary about that, just standard normal distribution.

I think you have no idea how good Minnesota and Philadelphia's defenses were last year, and any argument that suggests we were better than them last year is going to be arbitrary and circumstantial, because there was such a huge chasm between the two. I guess that's just my opinion there, but it just not a strong argument to say that they were in the top five last year defensively. Let's face it, if we had a top five defense, we would have made the playoffs. Every one of my top five defenses did make it, and none of them had any more offense to note than we did.

Again, I think you can debate if they're 6th or 11th or whatever. You can say, "we have a better defense the Giants", and I can respond "even though they create turnovers and we do not?" and you can say "yes" and that's that. I would just question who the one picking the arbitrary numbers is right now.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I think if we would've gotten better results blitzing we wouldn't even be having this conversation. The Steelers blitz effectively, the Redskins don't. At least not up to this point. For the amount of times we blitzed, the results were pathetic. I'm not sure how anyone can argue with that. Our sack totals were pathetic and I don't remember a lot of times where the pass wasn't completed because of pressure from the blitz. Maybe some, but not enough to justify blitzing as much as we did. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't remember our blitzes creating nearly as much havoc as some of the better defenses in the league. Nothing against Blache but that's just a fact. Simplifying the defense is one thing, but thinking you can beat the opponent all the time without disguising anything is just arrogant.

Our relative lack of success with the blitz can partially be blamed on talent. Our best blitzer by far was Marcus Washington, but he battled injuries his last 2+ years. I thought that Landry would have been a GREAT blitzer as a strong safety, but we've had to move him out of his comfort zone after Sean Taylor's death. I would love to see Kareem Moore eventually demonstrate enough discipline to play Free Safety, allowing Landry to play his more natural position at Strong Safety. As for fancy stunts and blitz disguises, I'm optimistic that Big Albert changes everything for our front 7. We will get to the QB with far fewer blitzes this year, which will lead to big plays by the DBs - mark those words.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Our relative lack of success with the blitz can partially be blamed on talent. Our best blitzer by far was Marcus Washington, but he battled injuries his last 2+ years. I thought that Landry would have been a GREAT blitzer as a strong safety, but we've had to move him out of his comfort zone after Sean Taylor's death. I would love to see Kareem Moore eventually demonstrate enough discipline to play Free Safety, allowing Landry to play his more natural position at Strong Safety. As for fancy stunts and blitz disguises, I'm optimistic that Big Albert changes everything for our front 7. We will get to the QB with far fewer blitzes this year, which will lead to big plays by the DBs - mark those words.

I couldn't agree with you more.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Our relative lack of success with the blitz can partially be blamed on talent. Our best blitzer by far was Marcus Washington, but he battled injuries his last 2+ years. I thought that Landry would have been a GREAT blitzer as a strong safety, but we've had to move him out of his comfort zone after Sean Taylor's death. I would love to see Kareem Moore eventually demonstrate enough discipline to play Free Safety, allowing Landry to play his more natural position at Strong Safety. As for fancy stunts and blitz disguises, I'm optimistic that Big Albert changes everything for our front 7. We will get to the QB with far fewer blitzes this year, which will lead to big plays by the DBs - mark those words.

I completely agree. Previously it was hard to compare our pass rush with the Steelers because of the talent differential up front. I am hoping that our offseason moves have considerably closed that gap.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I think if we would've gotten better results blitzing we wouldn't even be having this conversation. The Steelers blitz effectively, the Redskins don't. At least not up to this point. For the amount of times we blitzed, the results were pathetic. I'm not sure how anyone can argue with that. Our sack totals were pathetic and I don't remember a lot of times where the pass wasn't completed because of pressure from the blitz. Maybe some, but not enough to justify blitzing as much as we did. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't remember our blitzes creating nearly as much havoc as some of the better defenses in the league. Nothing against Blache but that's just a fact. Simplifying the defense is one thing, but thinking you can beat the opponent all the time without disguising anything is just arrogant.

I agree with you here bro, we blitz far too much for the results we get.
My problem with out blitzing is that we don't do a good job of disguising it.
Disguise is the key to blitzing success.
You have to create confusion as to where the pressure is coming from.
If a QB can see where the blitz is coming from he'll just re-assign the 'Mike' backer and the blitz will be picked up, hat-on-hat.
We need to create situations where there is hesitation and confusion.
This is why i like the idea of playing Orakpo/Washington as DE/OLB it gives the defense some versatility.

And its not only 3-4 teams can do this.
Jim Johnson with the Eagles and Spagnulo w/ the Giants mix in many zone-dogs and fire-zones.
It seems that we just bring an extra man or two into the box and basically annouce their intentions.

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

And for the record, I thought Blache called strong games against the Seahawks and Ravens (and an excellent one against Philly). But the decline was in full swing by that point. This suggests, to me at least, that while Blache was hardly at all responsible for the decline, he simply became part of the problem in the second half of the season.

I think Blache got a big assist from Zorn in the Seattle game.
I remember reading that Zorn talked to Blache about how to gameplan for Hasselbeck/passing game.

I thought the playcalling and defensive game management against the 49ers was horrible.

I hate how in the 2nd Cowboys game we couldn't stop a freakin toss/sweep.

[Coff]

Originally Posted by Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor

I'm tired of stopping the run first then pass rush.

Since when do we actually do the latter?

[Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor]

Originally Posted by Coff

Since when do we actually do the latter?

Its always been that way. Greg Blache always have stated that sacks don't matter which I think is very stupid considering the fact that sacks could get teams in 3rd and longs and also out of field goal range. Pressure busts pipes and he should realize that.

I'm going to give him the benefit of doubt and say that he did not let the d-line rush the passer first since he did not have the talent to do so. This year there will be no benefit of doubt. He should be fired if we can not get to the quarterback with Haynesworth collasping pockets everywhere.

[John Denny]

The additions of Orakpo and Haynesworth will definitely help our pass rush which ultimately will improve our defense. We're deep at D-line so we should have a solid rotation so the guy stay fresh. The trick will be can we actually time the blitzes. That's where I thought we didn't execute. We tipped our hand too early or were unable to secure the sack if we did get to the QB.
It's hard to call for the coordinator's head when players don't execute but ultimately it's his responsibility to make sure they do so.
I think we'll be an elite defense this year, especially since we have cap room left. We can get a vet. OLB plus sign some other players (OT, WR, OG and maybe even a MLB). You know damn well Snyder is going to use every bit of cap room to improve the team (a couple 1-yr deals would be ideal).

Every fan wont like the teams scheme from time to time either on offense or defense. I didnt like how ex-DC Gregg Williams use to play our CBs and I dont like how Blache doesnt seem to put pressure on offenses that leads to turnovers.

The bottom line is though as long as the scheme ranks near the top I really dont care what we run. Hopefully Haynesworth and Orakpo create more pressure which will lead to more options for Blache on defense.

[The Goat]

LOL... now kids pay attention, this is what a pissing match looks like.

[DBUCHANON101]

OK, Lets say Blache retires at the season's end. Who do you guys like as a replacement? an internal guy or someone from another team?

[GridIron26]

Jerry Gray

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

OK, Lets say Blache retires at the season's end. Who do you guys like as a replacement? an internal guy or someone from another team?

Jerry Gray is who I like. Whether we would promote him or not is another question. As skinsfan nn pointed out, we may bring in new blood.

[DBUCHANON101]

i hear good things about Jerry Gray. ppl say he is very aggressive. I also hear that tha FO and Gibbs liked the LB coach i dont know his name right off hand.