Holmgren on Campbell

[redskins1974]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Actually, Jason had had a problem with fumbling/ints so yes for that it was a breakout year as Lotus said. You then harped on yards and TDs, which Lotus also said he was not including, but hopes for that part this year. Also, our whole offense stalled at the 50 to 20, and even Zorn acknowledged that that was an area HE was looking to improve his playcalling in. I don't see a redzone stat on pro football reference, but I think our numbers were not below average, we just didn't get there enough.

we were 21st in total yards....thats below average. 28th in scoring....

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by redskins1974

we were 21st in total yards....thats below average. 28th in scoring....

CRedskinsRule was talking specifically about the red zone.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by redskins1974

we were 21st in total yards....thats below average. 28th in scoring....

Unfortunately, your knowledge of our offense last year seems to end at this, so color us unconvinced at your argument.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Unfortunately, your knowledge of our offense last year seems to end at this, so color us unconvinced at your argument.

You're so cold Tripp.

[70Chip]

Obviously, he was talking to Snyder. Holmgren had like 6 years in Seattle and finally made the BIg Game. Zorn won't have that long. Campbell definitley won't. I like Holmgren, though. He was Gibbs' best friend among the current coaches. He's into cars.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

You're so cold Tripp.

There's really nothing else to say. If he's convinced that a limited understanding of offensive totals can be blamed entirely on the QB, there's no reason to waste more than two lines on him.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

There's really nothing else to say. If he's convinced that a limited understanding of offensive totals can be blamed entirely on the QB, there's no reason to waste more than two lines on him.

Unfortunately that is a view shared by way too many.

[redskins1974]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Unfortunately, your knowledge of our offense last year seems to end at this, so color us unconvinced at your argument.

well smart guy, convince me our offense was above average. you going to blame Portis for our lack of scoring? i do know the offense..JC wasnt the only problem, true, but he didnt step up very often outside the saints game. Defenses dont fear him in the least.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by redskins1974

well smart guy, convince me our offense was above average. you going to blame Portis for our lack of scoring? i do know the offense..JC wasnt the only problem, true, but he didnt step up very often outside the saints game. Defenses dont fear him in the least.

First of all, I never said that we were an above average offense. I also never said we weren't. All I said is that if you were trying to make the the argument that looking at our offensive totals from a negative light is evidence that Campbell can't run our offense, you were highly unconvincing. I also didn't want to waste a ton of words (and everyone elses words) pointing that out.

Where I'm coming from is a world where no one has ever made a strong argument that Campbell shouldn't be our starter next year. This includes our own managament. Is there a reason to be concerned about Campbell as our future? Perhaps there is, but I've never read, heard, or have been able to come up with a strong argument that suggests that replacing him now would be in the best interest of the team.

Do understand that you aren't all alone in your belief that Campbell won't ever get it done here. But reason does abandon you.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by redskins1974

well smart guy, convince me our offense was above average. you going to blame Portis for our lack of scoring? i do know the offense..JC wasnt the only problem, true, but he didnt step up very often outside the saints game. Defenses dont fear him in the least.

You're reinforcing his point by saying that 'he didn't step up very often'. Go back (if you have them or access to them) and watch the games. There were 3 games he was terrible in, 1st NYG, Pittsburgh and Baltimore, but then again we were terrible as a team in those games. Watch the Cincy, St. Louis, SF games again, those are the losses that kept us out of the playoffs and tell me how he didn't "step up".

A QB, moreso than ANY OTHER POSITION ON THE FIELD, can't perform without complimentary players. You can't ignore the OL disappointing down the stretch. For example, do you realize that in the Eagles game (which we won) we started Jason Fabini at RT? Seriously, Jason Fabini. What QB/offense is going to scare a defense starting Jason Fabini.

You can't ignore that we had 1.5 options in the passing game and defenses knew it so they took them away. It wasn't Campbell that defenses didn't fear, it was our offense as a whole. The formula was simple, take away Portis, double Moss, bracket Cooley and you stop our offense cold.

What other QB, please name at least one, would have thrived under those conditions. I'm not saying that JC is/was perfect or anything better than a slightly above average QB last season but the dissection of his lack of ability to be an NFL starter has gone beyond ridiculousness.