Will Jason Campbell return?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

HANK YOU NFL NETWORK!!!!
They broke down film on JC and in the games they showed it was 3rd and long situations.JC had protection each time and EACH TIME went to the check down route that was 5-7 yards short of the 1st down. One play showed 3 different wrs in one on one coverage and he wouldnt push the ball downfield. JC plays scared and thats why he went without throwin a int for half the season. HIS AVG THROW ON 3RD DOWN WAS LIKE 5.7 YARDS.and he had one of the worst comp %'s on 3rd down. PPL wanted to question Zorns playcalling but we had WR's deep and open and he took the easy way out. Thats why ppl are calling for a change,thats why ppl are calling for Collins or Brennan

You do realize you contradict yourself here, right? If he has the worst completion percentage on third downs, and yet he is going for the safe throw which he was completing for 5.7yds somewhere the stats breakdown. I don't think anyone argues that JC hasn't been timid at times when avoiding INTs, moreso that the timidity is a result of two main factors
- the effects of JG, and JZ drilling ball security first
- the lack of confidence that his receivers were running the routes as they were supposed to.

This year is absolutely his year to show confidence in routes and getting the ball into the tighter spots. I don't think he can't do this, but he does need to step up and show it.
Given all that, calling for Collins - a perennial backup, or Brennan, a 2nd year 3rd stringer, is just change for change sake, not because of any real tangible improvement.

[Redskin Jim]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

You do realize you contradict yourself here, right? If he has the worst completion percentage on third downs, and yet he is going for the safe throw which he was completing for 5.7yds somewhere the stats breakdown. I don't think anyone argues that JC hasn't been timid at times when avoiding INTs, moreso that the timidity is a result of two main factors
- the effects of JG, and JZ drilling ball security first
- the lack of confidence that his receivers were running the routes as they were supposed to.

This year is absolutely his year to show confidence in routes and getting the ball into the tighter spots. I don't think he can't do this, but he does need to step up and show it.
Given all that, calling for Collins - a perennial backup, or Brennan, a 2nd year 3rd stringer, is just change for change sake, not because of any real tangible improvement.

Bottom line is JC is our best chance to win this year. Collins and Brennan are a step backwards. If JC is unable to step up this year, all things considered, We will probably (most likely) go another direction at qb.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

HANK YOU NFL NETWORK!!!!
They broke down film on JC and in the games they showed it was 3rd and long situations.JC had protection each time and EACH TIME went to the check down route that was 5-7 yards short of the 1st down. One play showed 3 different wrs in one on one coverage and he wouldnt push the ball downfield. JC plays scared and thats why he went without throwin a int for half the season. HIS AVG THROW ON 3RD DOWN WAS LIKE 5.7 YARDS.and he had one of the worst comp %'s on 3rd down. PPL wanted to question Zorns playcalling but we had WR's deep and open and he took the easy way out. Thats why ppl are calling for a change,thats why ppl are calling for Collins or Brennan

I was one of the guys last year who kept screaming, " Go deep damnit! At least try!" But after thinking about it, JC was learning and trying to do what he was taught, and his receivers weren't always doing what they were suppose to. He should be more comfortable and confident this year and deserves the chance to show improvement. If it's a repeat of last year, then I'll be right there with you. I personally think he'll step up. I don't think anyone here is "married" to the guy, I would just like to see what he can do in the same system for more than a year. Anyone who has had to learn as many offenses as he has in the last few years obviously has some intelligence and he does possess some outstanding physical tools. I think we'll have a clearer and more accurate picture of Jason Campbell after this year.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

HANK YOU NFL NETWORK!!!!
They broke down film on JC and in the games they showed it was 3rd and long situations.JC had protection each time and EACH TIME went to the check down route that was 5-7 yards short of the 1st down. One play showed 3 different wrs in one on one coverage and he wouldnt push the ball downfield. JC plays scared and thats why he went without throwin a int for half the season. HIS AVG THROW ON 3RD DOWN WAS LIKE 5.7 YARDS.and he had one of the worst comp %'s on 3rd down. PPL wanted to question Zorns playcalling but we had WR's deep and open and he took the easy way out. Thats why ppl are calling for a change,thats why ppl are calling for Collins or Brennan

I don't know why no one else has brought this up but who's Hank???

[DBUCHANON101]

It is what it is but the stats dont lie. JC's numbers on 3rd down are horrid. 5.9 yards an att, and his comp % was like 58 which isnt bad as a % but as a league avg it was one of the worst.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

It is what it is but the stats dont lie. JC's numbers on 3rd down are horrid. 5.9 yards an att, and his comp % was like 58 which isnt bad as a % but as a league avg it was one of the worst.

They don't lie, they just tell you what you want to hear.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

It is what it is but the stats dont lie. JC's numbers on 3rd down are horrid. 5.9 yards an att, and his comp % was like 58 which isnt bad as a % but as a league avg it was one of the worst.

I don't think the issue is so much how he's doing on 3rd and long. I think the bigger question, as Zorn himself indicated last season, is what can we do to avoid even getting into those 3rd and long situations in the first place?

[DBUCHANON101]

Im just sayin he needs to step up. and ppl need to stop acting offended when others call for a change. Its not like ppl are hatin on him for no reason.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

Im just sayin he needs to step up. and ppl need to stop acting offended when others call for a change. Its not like ppl are hatin on him for no reason.

If it just stopped at saying he needs to step up, great EVERYONE agrees.

The rest doesn't make sense.
- You don't call for a change at qb when you have no one to replace him with.
- ppl hatin on him have been repeatedly shown that he has improved every season, and yet they continue to hate. how uncivil is that.
- This season costs us little to give him the chance to step up, but changing right now just puts Zorn back at square 1.

[Missin21]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

If it just stopped at saying he needs to step up, great EVERYONE agrees.

The rest doesn't make sense.
- You don't call for a change at qb when you have no one to replace him with.
- ppl hatin on him have been repeatedly shown that he has improved every season, and yet they continue to hate. how uncivil is that.
- This season costs us little to give him the chance to step up, but changing right now just puts Zorn back at square 1.

EXACTLY! With all the nonsense that is swirling about how Coach Zs job is hanging in the balance, if he starts someone else now, it will make Z look stupid & like he doesn't know what he's doing AND that he has no confidence in himself, much less his QB situation. Then, next year, Snyder is shopping for another coach & the merry-go-round continues. If we stay the course we are on now, Z may have a shot at keeping his job & this team may have a shot at winning something sooner rather then later. THE MERRY-GO-ROUND MUST STOP NOW!

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Missin21

EXACTLY! With all the nonsense that is swirling about how Coach Zs job is hanging in the balance, if he starts someone else now, it will make Z look stupid & like he doesn't know what he's doing AND that he has no confidence in himself, much less his QB situation. Then, next year, Snyder is shopping for another coach & the merry-go-round continues. If we stay the course we are on now, Z may have a shot at keeping his job & this team may have a shot at winning something sooner rather then later. THE MERRY-GO-ROUND MUST STOP NOW!

Unfortunately because of the recent history of our team a large segment of our young fanbase has never experienced a winner and somehow feel like they deserve or are owed to see it.

As a result they are perpetually miserable and think that ONE MORE CHANGE will end the misery without attaching any modicum of logic or common sense to it. It's pretty much target practice for their blame, either Vinny, Danny or JC.

The full irony is the thing that most people rip Snyder for, impulsiveness and impatience, are the same things they are advocating in benching JC or starting Colt to 'see what we have'.

[DBUCHANON101]

The rest doesn't make sense.
- You don't call for a change at qb when you have no one to replace him with.
- ppl hatin on him have been repeatedly shown that he has improved every season, and yet they continue to hate. how uncivil is that.
- This season costs us little to give him the chance to step up, but changing right now just puts Zorn back at square 1.

There was a guy named Collins who led this team to the playoffs, we avg'd 25 pts a game over last 4 games we won to make it to the postseason. So i wouldnt say the guy is garbage.
yeah he has improved each season, at a very slow rate. someone said at this rate by the time he is 30 he will throw 25td's.
how are we back at square one? all of the QB's have the same experience in the offense. If JC struggles the season is in jeopardy anyways, may as well let someone else get a shot so they can be ready for next yr if we dont draft another QB. and even if we do that person wont start day one.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

There was a guy named Collins who led this team to the playoffs, we avg'd 25 pts a game over last 4 games we won to make it to the postseason. So i wouldnt say the guy is garbage.
yeah he has improved each season, at a very slow rate. someone said at this rate by the time he is 30 he will throw 25td's.
how are we back at square one? all of the QB's have the same experience in the offense. If JC struggles the season is in jeopardy anyways, may as well let someone else get a shot so they can be ready for next yr if we dont draft another QB. and even if we do that person wont start day one.

I am pretty sure every pooint has been asked/answered multiple times.

JC is gonna start this season, and if at the end he is who you say he is, he is gone. If he is who we hope he is, we will all be celebrating.

[Missin21]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

The rest doesn't make sense.
- You don't call for a change at qb when you have no one to replace him with.
- ppl hatin on him have been repeatedly shown that he has improved every season, and yet they continue to hate. how uncivil is that.
- This season costs us little to give him the chance to step up, but changing right now just puts Zorn back at square 1.

There was a guy named Collins who led this team to the playoffs, we avg'd 25 pts a game over last 4 games we won to make it to the postseason. So i wouldnt say the guy is garbage.

how are we back at square one? all of the QB's have the same experience in the offense. If JC struggles the season is in jeopardy anyways, may as well let someone else get a shot so they can be ready for next yr if we dont draft another QB. and even if we do that person wont start day one.

Ok, first, Collins was in Al Saunders' system for, what 15 years before coming here? As a back-up, he did a great job. Collins doesn't have what it takes to make it thru a full season as he showed in the post-season after, what, 6 games?!

Second, all the QBs have NOT had the same experience in this offense. Regardless of what YOU want, Campbell is the starter, so Campbell gets probably 90% of the snaps with the first offense in practices. Collins probably gets about 8-8.5% & then Brennan gets the rest. You think Brennan is going to have his timing down with the WRs with only 1.5-2% of the snaps with this offense? Get real. AND, there is probably more of a reason then you would like to admit, except that your blind hatred for Campbell will only let you see what you want to see, for why Brennan & Collins are still backing up JC. I'm sure money has something to do with it, but I have a hard time believing that this FO wouldn't push for one of the others to start if they showed they could handle the job OVER Campbell. Which tells me that they can't just yet.

yeah he has improved each season, at a very slow rate. someone said at this rate by the time he is 30 he will throw 25td's.

Someone said...? are you serious? Someone says a lot of stupid shit. Someone said that we should all jump off a bridge after the way last year went....seems like we didn't listen to them then. But now, "someone said" that JC will throw 25td's by the time he is 30 so OF COURSE it's gospel. Because it suits your view point. Puh-lease.


Listen, I am not a Campbell enthusiast like you are a Campbell hater, but clearly your anger towards him is blinding what good sense you may actually have left. You need to take a few deep breaths, step back & allow him to develop. Plain & simple. Otherwise, I would suggest finding another team to root for because CLEARLY your hatred for Campbell is distorting your judgement. We need stability here, which is something we have thrown by the wayside for years. Stability is the only thing that will bring a Championship back to Washington.

I figure that if a guy like Ben Roethlisburger can do it with the worst QB rating in Super Bowl history (& let's face it, he's not much better during the regular season), then he does a faceplant into "someone's" windshield (something that he would have been laughed out of town for here) & guess what...? He wins another Championship...for the same team? Give Campbell a chance. God damn, you make it sound as if he came to your house, kicked your dog, impregnated your 15 year old daughter & spray painted "your mother's a whore" all over your kitchen. Calm down. You arguments against him are starting to sound foolish when you start quoting "someone said..."

[vallin21]

Originally Posted by Missin21

Ok, first, Collins was in Al Saunders' system for, what 15 years before coming here? As a back-up, he did a great job. Collins doesn't have what it takes to make it thru a full season as he showed in the post-season after, what, 6 games?!

Second, all the QBs have NOT had the same experience in this offense. Regardless of what YOU want, Campbell is the starter, so Campbell gets probably 90% of the snaps with the first offense in practices. Collins probably gets about 8-8.5% & then Brennan gets the rest. You think Brennan is going to have his timing down with the WRs with only 1.5-2% of the snaps with this offense? Get real. AND, there is probably more of a reason then you would like to admit, except that your blind hatred for Campbell will only let you see what you want to see, for why Brennan & Collins are still backing up JC. I'm sure money has something to do with it, but I have a hard time believing that this FO wouldn't push for one of the others to start if they showed they could handle the job OVER Campbell. Which tells me that they can't just yet.




Someone said...? are you serious? Someone says a lot of stupid shit. Someone said that we should all jump off a bridge after the way last year went....seems like we didn't listen to them then. But now, "someone said" that JC will throw 25td's by the time he is 30 so OF COURSE it's gospel. Because it suits your view point. Puh-lease.


Listen, I am not a Campbell enthusiast like you are a Campbell hater, but clearly your anger towards him is blinding what good sense you may actually have left. You need to take a few deep breaths, step back & allow him to develop. Plain & simple. Otherwise, I would suggest finding another team to root for because CLEARLY your hatred for Campbell is distorting your judgement. We need stability here, which is something we have thrown by the wayside for years. Stability is the only thing that will bring a Championship back to Washington.

I figure that if a guy like Ben Roethlisburger can do it with the worst QB rating in Super Bowl history (& let's face it, he's not much better during the regular season), then he does a faceplant into "someone's" windshield (something that he would have been laughed out of town for here) & guess what...? He wins another Championship...for the same team? Give Campbell a chance. God damn, you make it sound as if he came to your house, kicked your dog, impregnated your 15 year old daughter & spray painted "your mother's a whore" all over your kitchen. Calm down. You arguments against him are starting to sound foolish when you start quoting "someone said..."

. Seriously, I don't understand why some people want to get rid of JC, the guys had 5 different offenses to learn including college, something I couldn't do. I hope JC takes us to the Superbowl just to shut-up some people here. Just give him a chance, and if he's not good this year we don't re-sign.