Indefinite detentions under Obama???

[REDSKIN1]

I'm pretty much split down the middle on this issue. On one hand being former military, I can agree with what the Bush administration did. And although I don't beleive in physical torture, I do beleive in mental torture to influence the enemy to release valuable information that may not only save the lives of american citizens but of the soldiers who are on the ground doing the job. That information is vital to operational success and if anyone thinks that a prisoner of war is just going to walk up and start giving up information freely, then you are sadley mistaken. If anyone thinks that if any other country captured a prisoner of war and does not physically torture them, then they need to wake up and join us in the real world. The problem that I have is these guys have sit in this prison for so long that the ones who are were not terriost are now probably just as dangerous as the ones that are not. So what do you do with them and where would you send them?

I love Obama but I would not announce to the world that we are not going to torture prisoners anymore, because by saying that you have just put the U.S. at a operational disadvantage when they do capture prisoners of war. I would have just said that we intend to handle prisoners and detainees differently than the previous administration and left it as that. Just my opinion.....

[70Chip]

Anyone that is captured on the battlefield should be held until the war is over. Obama seems to be acknowledging that his election did not end the war - which is to say that the war against terror now has added legitimacy. Until the Jihadists are defeated or we are defeated, we have every right to detain these people outside of the domestic legal system.

[70Chip]

Interesting note on the torture angle. I'm reading a book called Legacy of Ashes which is a history of the CIA. In the 1950s, the Agency gave prisoners at a penitentiary in Kentucky (regular prisoners mind you, not Russians or Cubans or captured commies) LSD for 77 straight days. Apparently they were just seeing what would happen. Now, for anyone who hasn't taken acid, trust me. After about the third day on government LSD in a prison setting, which was probably a very strongish dose, waterboarding would seem fairly tame. The point is that, this country has a long history of pushing the envelope in all sorts of areas. To pretend that Bush did something new or extraordinary is laughable.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

Interesting note on the torture angle. I'm reading a book called Legacy of Ashes which is a history of the CIA. In the 1950s, the Agency gave prisoners at a penitentiary in Kentucky (regular prisoners mind you, not Russians or Cubans or captured commies) LSD for 77 straight days. Apparently they were just seeing what would happen. Now, for anyone who hasn't taken acid, trust me. After about the third day on government LSD in a prison setting, which was probably a very strongish dose, waterboarding would seem fairly tame. The point is that, this country has a long history of pushing the envelope in all sorts of areas. To pretend that Bush did something new or extraordinary is laughable.

70, i totally agree with this post. i know, it must be a first

[saden1]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

Interesting note on the torture angle. I'm reading a book called Legacy of Ashes which is a history of the CIA. In the 1950s, the Agency gave prisoners at a penitentiary in Kentucky (regular prisoners mind you, not Russians or Cubans or captured commies) LSD for 77 straight days. Apparently they were just seeing what would happen. Now, for anyone who hasn't taken acid, trust me. After about the third day on government LSD in a prison setting, which was probably a very strongish dose, waterboarding would seem fairly tame. The point is that, this country has a long history of pushing the envelope in all sorts of areas. To pretend that Bush did something new or extraordinary is laughable.

LOL...good one. We've done it before, and we can do it again because we've done it before. To infinity and beyond!

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by saden1

LOL...good one. We've done it before, and we can do it again because we've done it before. To infinity and beyond!

Of course it doesn't alter the moral correctness of waterboarding. It only demonstrates the selective nature of your outrage. How convenient that you would come to Jesus during a Republican admininistration. Obama's recent backtracking leaves you in the position of having to un-come to Jesus visa vis national security (assuming you are loyal to The Baraq). I suspect he's trying to shake you weirdie beards loose. He's trying to seem a little more mainstreamish.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

Of course it doesn't alter the moral correctness of waterboarding. It only demonstrates the selective nature of your outrage. How convenient that you would come to Jesus during a Republican admininistration. Obama's recent backtracking leaves you in the position of having to un-come to Jesus visa vis national security (assuming you are loyal to The Baraq). I suspect he's trying to shake you weirdie beards loose. He's trying to seem a little more mainstreamish.

I give him credit for realizing that it is not as easy as people think to deal with some of these people so now he has changed his mind based on what he has learned over the past few months. The problem with most of these paople is we caught them while fighting us but we have no concrete eveidence other then them shooting at us that they are terrorist. So in court it gets tough to get a conviction under our courts in the US. Obama now see's these issues and does not want to risk letting them back out just to fight them again. In most wars we hold them until its over but its much different in this case.