The Grand New Party

[FRPLG]

All the points about drawing back I agree with in philosophy but they all get caught up in real world realities. We're not leaving Europe. We sacrificed hundreds of thousands of men and women fighting to keep their freedoms and we aren't just up and leaving them with their ass in the wind. The problem is national security isn't very simple. The arguments that defending ourselves mean we have to go out into the world to keep threats from originating before they get to us isn't frivolous. It makes sense...and it is an inordinately subjective premise. At least in application.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

All the points about drawing back I agree with in philosophy but they all get caught up in real world realities. We're not leaving Europe. We sacrificed hundreds of thousands of men and women fighting to keep their freedoms and we aren't just up and leaving them with their *** in the wind. The problem is national security isn't very simple. The arguments that defending ourselves mean we have to go out into the world to keep threats from originating before they get to us isn't frivolous. It makes sense...and it is an inordinately subjective premise. At least in application.

I do understand this, but if this is still about a "new" party's defining principles, I maintain that the ideal should be one of minimal military intervention, and to maintain a defensive posture. If we did that it would lead to a natural reduction in the Army, and a greater emphasis on the Intelligence divisions, and a strong navy, air force and local space command (not missions to galaxies 5million lightyears away). None of this diminishes the role of National Security, but does lead away from Presidents having to occupy our Army with missions outside of our borders.
I make most of my arguments here in the context of where we should be heading, not necessarily, where we could be tomorrow.

[firstdown]

Not sure if you guys saw that we arrested 4 terrorist today that wanted to bomb some building and shoot down planes. Man Bush really did a good job seting up home land security.FBI Credits Informant for Helping Bust New York Terror Plot - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News - FOXNews.com

[saden1]

Man power is irrelevant when dealing with a nuclear capable nation. You only invade countries that don't have THE Bomb (see Iraq vs North Korea).

[firstdown]

I just don't get why we as Americans have spent so much time trying to figure out what to do with people who want to kill us. I'm sure the terrorist have been laughing at us everytime they see us arguing over torture and what we can and cannot do when they just chop the peoples heads off.

[CRedskinsRule]

So, I think I have laid out what I would consider a basic platform for an opposition party:
Increase State's Rights and Responsibilities
- Eliminate "Federal Bribery" laws - or laws where the Federal government forces a State action by withholding funding if the State does not act in accordance with Federal mandates
- Place Responsibility for Education at the State Level by disbanding the Dept of Ed
- Same with others as said earlier
Reduce Federal Obligations and Authority
- bring cabinet positions and Federal policy in line with the ideals of the Constiution
- reduce/eliminate campaign on morality based issues (ie abortion/death penalty) and push for more aggressive campaigns based on limited govt.

Return the Military to a Defense First posture
- in a responsible manner draw down the standing army and increase the role of the Reserve Army.
- increase intelligence assets
- maintain air and naval capabilities

Obviously this is a shell platform, But here are my questions:
a) what level of support would this platform find in the undecided mobs

b)what would your ideal platform include/not include


(70Chip-my thesis for the my GVPT 600 class is tomorrow so I have slacked on work today )

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

So, I think I have laid out what I would consider a basic platform for an opposition party:
Increase State's Rights and Responsibilities
- Eliminate "Federal Bribery" laws
- Place Responsibility for Education at the State Level by disbanding the Dept of Ed
- Same with others as said earlier
Reduce Federal Obligations and Authority
- bring cabinet positions and Federal policy in line with the ideals of the Constiution
- reduce/eliminate campaign on morality based issues (ie abortion/death penalty) and push for more aggressive campaigns based on limited govt.

Return the Military to a Defense First posture
- in a responsible manner draw down the standing army and increase the role of the Reserve Army.
- increase intelligence assets
- maintain air and naval capabilities

Obviously this is a shell platform, But here are my questions:
a) what level of support would this platform find in the undecided mobs

b)what would your ideal platform include/not include


(70Chip-my thesis for the my GVPT 600 class is tomorrow so I have slacked on work today )

The rep. brought up the idea about eliminating the Dept of Ed and got bashed for wanting to ruin all the little kids education back in the 80's.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by firstdown

The rep. brought up the idea about eliminating the Dept of Ed and got bashed for wanting to ruin all the little kids education back in the 80's.

I think the Republicans have given very good examples of how NOT to do things at this point. An exception is the Contract for America and the first 100 days into it. Other than that they have been horrible in presenting ideas and follow through. I think the ideas have merits, and could be presented in the media and internet with enough rational thought to win public support. The keys have to be focusing on the States and Local governments taking better care of their kids then an anonymous Federal Bureaucrat.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

So, I think I have laid out what I would consider a basic platform for an opposition party:

Add: Term Limits - total of 8 yrs for a rep, 12 yrs. for a Senator.
Balanced Budget ammendment.

[CRedskinsRule]

This party would have to be very focused in its message of State's Rights, and State's responsibilities.

[tryfuhl]

"Ayn Rand's hideous prose coupled with a worldview which denies the existence of God is deplorable"

That's extremely subjective don't you think?

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

"Ayn Rand's hideous prose coupled with a worldview which denies the existence of God is deplorable"

That's extremely subjective don't you think?

Partly. That is, my belief in God may be unique to me. He may not have any interest in the rest of you - I couldn't say. But Ayn Rand's bad writing is bad by any standard, at any time, and in any place. Even people who find her philosophy compelling are forced to admit that her writing is abominable. WFB has called it "ideological fabulism". I would call it "adolescent". It is the clumsy musings of a mind that has not eperienced love or loss, joy or pain, or any other deep emotion that makes us human.