the new health care?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Good for you. I agree...but I don't care if gay people want to try and get married. In fact I don't care if ANYONE wants to get married. Why does the government care if people get married? Why is a marriage a sanctioned relationship anyways? That seems pretty dumb to me. What logical reasoning is behind this from a governmental standpoint? If the state got out of the marriage business it'd make this all a lot easier to logically handle.

First off gay people can find a church and get married everyday its just not recognized by the goverment. If they love each other so much why don't they just get married and move on with life?

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by firstdown

First off gay people can find a church and get married everyday its just not recognized by the goverment. If they love each other so much why don't they just get married and move on with life?

Sorta my point. Why does the government have to care either? Gays care because the gov't provides benefits to married people for some reason. What logical explanation exists for an arbitrary relationship to be sanctioned by the government so that those people can get benefits? It seems petty crappy to me that there are churches that will marry gay people but the gov't don't afford them the same legal sanction that we afford "normal" married people. That doesn't even remotely make sense or seem fair. The easiest way to fix it is to have the gov't not even care about married people from a legal standpoint.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Sorta my point. Why does the government have to care either? What logical explanation exists for an arbitrary relationship to be sanctioned by the government?

Acknowledgement of a married relationship brings certain legal and tax status. I agree with your point though, the federal government should not be focused on legislating moral behavior unless there is a negative effect on others. There also shouldn't be an effect on how you're taxed whether single or married either (insert FairTax plug here).

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Acknowledgement of a married relationship brings certain legal and tax status. I agree with your point though, the federal government should not be focused on legislating moral behavior unless there is a negative effect on others. There also shouldn't be an effect on how you're taxed whether single or married either (insert FairTax plug here).

I edited mine to add some stuff...but the the legal and tax stuff exists BECAUSE of the sanctioning. Not the other way around. We didn't decide to give out benefits and then come up with the magic idea of marriage as a way to make it happen. Marriage is a religious invention that the gov't/society decided to use as a tool for providing benefits.

It should remain strickly a religious institution and we should forego providing benefits/status based on marriage since it intrinsically can't be done in a fair way.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Sorta my point. Why does the government have to care either? Gays care because the gov't provides benefits to married people for some reason. What logical explanation exists for an arbitrary relationship to be sanctioned by the government so that those people can get benefits? It seems petty crappy to me that there are churches that will marry gay people but the gov't don't afford them the same legal sanction that we afford "normal" married people. That doesn't even remotely make sense or seem fair. The easiest way to fix it is to have the gov't not even care about married people from a legal standpoint.

So I'm with you and now we will have to privatize social security and I'm all for that. Other than maybe a tax break SS is the only thing I can think of as far as goverment benefits. Most of the other stuff you can go to a lawyer and draw up legal papers that give you the other rights like when medical issues arise.