Will Jason Campbell return?

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Monksdown

incorrect.

Those were Roethlisberger's statistics.

[Monksdown]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I love how you call facts 'excuses'. In hindsight in 8 months when Campbell dramatically improves in all of the areas he's criticized about then as a result of continuity, then what will your comments be?

I've never seen consistent progress so easily dismissed as 'failure'. It's laughable.

What's laughable is how my entire anaylsis was based on my carefull study of his statistics this morning. Which reveal quite clearly, as i stated, that he is making progress. But at such a ridiculously slow rate, that he could possibly throw 25 td's(reasonable) when he's 33 years old. He's been in the league 5 years brother. 5! He's halfway out of the league already. The numbers are there. I told you, at best, he's turning into a game manager. He'll never be in the pro bowl.

Get over it. Don't be so blindly supporting.

[Monksdown]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

Those were Roethlisberger's statistics. Try to keep up.

roger

[Coff]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

While I agree that JC has been conditioned by Gibbs to be ultra conservative in his decision making and as a fan it's frustrating to see him check down so frequently, I don't know any football mind that will agree that 0 INT is 'non necessarily a good stat.' A punt is always better than a pick, 100 times out of 100.

You're absolutely right, 0 INTs in 8 games is incredible, but my point was that a deeper look may indicate that the stat isn't as illustrious as it initially appears. A first down is better than both a punt and a pick.

[DBUCHANON101]

I love how you call facts 'excuses'. In hindsight in 8 months when Campbell dramatically improves in all of the areas he's criticized about then as a result of continuity, then what will your comments be?

Ill say Dang, he turned into a good QB. Too bad he's gone. IMO no matter what he does he is gone. either he does bad and is gone in FA or he does well and leaves because we tried to trade him and he cant trust the FO. either way we are QB searchin next season

[DBUCHANON101]

i dont put alot in the 0 ints. its not like he was scoring 2-3 tds a game while doing it. just tells me he was playin not to lose

[Monksdown]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

I love how you call facts 'excuses'. In hindsight in 8 months when Campbell dramatically improves in all of the areas he's criticized about then as a result of continuity, then what will your comments be?

Ill say Dang, he turned into a good QB. Too bad he's gone. IMO no matter what he does he is gone. either he does bad and is gone in FA or he does well and leaves because we tried to trade him and he cant trust the FO. either way we are QB searchin next season

no matter how you came to the conclusion, i'm glad you see the light.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Monksdown

What's laughable is how my entire anaylsis was based on my carefull study of his statistics this morning. Which reveal quite clearly, as i stated, that he is making progress. But at such a ridiculously slow rate, that he could possibly throw 25 td's(reasonable) when he's 33 years old. He's been in the league 5 years brother. 5! He's halfway out of the league already. The numbers are there. I told you, at best, he's turning into a game manager. He'll never be in the pro bowl.

Get over it. Don't be so blindly supporting.

Trent Green had one pass attempt in his first four years and turned into a 2x Pro Bowler. Rich Gannon had 28 TDs his first five years (none his first three years) and turned into a 4x Pro Bowler. Brad Johson had 17 TDs his first five years (0 his first four) and turned into a 2x Pro Bowler (with a SB ring). Steve Young threw 32 TDs his first five years and he turned out ok.

I realize these are not all 1st round picks we're talking about here, but the point is Campbell still has the potential to have a very bright future ahead of him.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Monksdown

What's laughable is how my entire anaylsis was based on my carefull study of his statistics this morning. Which reveal quite clearly, as i stated, that he is making progress. But at such a ridiculously slow rate, that he could possibly throw 25 td's(reasonable) when he's 33 years old. He's been in the league 5 years brother. 5! He's halfway out of the league already. The numbers are there. I told you, at best, he's turning into a game manager. He'll never be in the pro bowl.

Get over it. Don't be so blindly supporting.

What would you call a QB going into his third full season as a starter with career numbers of a completion percentage below 60%, right around 200 YPG, 28 TD and 31 INT, passer rating in the low-mid 70's and a winning percentage below .500?

[DBUCHANON101]

Trent Green? wasnt he with Al Saunders when he was havin pro bowl seasons??
Gannon was good because he was a true student of the game, that guy could write the playbook for you. he put the time in.
and it wasnt hard for Johnson to win the SB with that BUC D. they scored like 21pts in that game vs the Raiders.

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Monksdown

What's laughable is how my entire anaylsis was based on my carefull study of his statistics this morning. Which reveal quite clearly, as i stated, that he is making progress. But at such a ridiculously slow rate, that he could possibly throw 25 td's(reasonable) when he's 33 years old. He's been in the league 5 years brother. 5! He's halfway out of the league already. The numbers are there. I told you, at best, he's turning into a game manager. He'll never be in the pro bowl.

Get over it. Don't be so blindly supporting.

Yeah, but that is not careful statistical analysis. That is carefully looking at statistics and then drawing an unreasonable conclusion. You basically conclude that based upon his previous statistics it is impossible that he can throw for more than two extra touchdowns a year every year for the next five years. That is completely random and is not "statistical" analysis. That is saying, A=B therefore C=D. There is no correlation between throwing for 10 (in 7 starts), 12 (in 13 starts), and 13 (in 16 starts) touchdowns per season. Hell, if you wanted to really better your argument you would say that his touchdown/game ratio has decreased every year so by the time he is 33 he will be throwing for 0 touchdowns (which would fit with your argument because you would say he'll be out of the league). I'm not even saying Campbell is a great QB, I am just saying you are making your argument by 1) coming to a conclusion, 2) cherry picking statistics, 3) arbitrarily assigning meaning to those statistics so that they fit with your conclusion. That is not an empirical argument.

[DBUCHANON101]

Hey guys, just take those JC jerseys and hang em in the closet. next yr they will be as useful as my ol Champ jersey i have in mine.

[Soup's Uncle]

^ Or my Arrington & Washington Jerseys...

[Monksdown]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

Yeah, but that is not careful statistical analysis. That is carefully looking at statistics and then drawing an unreasonable conclusion. You basically conclude that based upon his previous statistics it is impossible that he can throw for more than two extra touchdowns a year every year for the next five years. That is completely random and is not "statistical" analysis. That is saying, A=B therefore C=D. There is no correlation between throwing for 10 (in 7 starts), 12 (in 13 starts), and 13 (in 16 starts) touchdowns per season. Hell, if you wanted to really better your argument you would say that his touchdown/game ratio has decreased every year so by the time he is 33 he will be throwing for 0 touchdowns (which would fit with your argument because you would say he'll be out of the league). I'm not even saying Campbell is a great QB, I am just saying you are making your argument by 1) coming to a conclusion, 2) cherry picking statistics, 3) arbitrarily assigning meaning to those statistics so that they fit with your conclusion. That is not an empirical argument.

I disagree with you obviously on the validity of the statistics i've pulled. Anyone can "cherry pick" statistics and make them reveal something that may not be there. Yes, i did use the statistics i chose to use. On the other side of that coin, anyone can tear them down by continuing to break down the figures ad nauseum.

Bottom line. Little steps don't equal big steps. I want big steps.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

i dont put alot in the 0 ints. its not like he was scoring 2-3 tds a game while doing it. just tells me he was playin not to lose

do you put alot into the 6-2 record? because where i come from, that's the bottom line?